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Question regarding 2021 Morgan & Peace Dollars

anablepanablep Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

From what I can tell, this legislation for 2021 dollars was a "silver dollar anniversary act," and the coins proposed are not really a commemorative issue. If that's the case (even though they are .999 silver and not .900 silver like the original series) will the 2021 dollars be recognized as parts of their respective sets. In other words, will a complete Morgan collection now be 1878-1904, 1921, 2021? Or will they be considered bullion?

As a dollar collector, I guess the question is, how will they be received by Morgan/Peace collectors as a community?

Thank you for your thoughts on this...

Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

"Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."


~Wayne

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 4:14PM

    Good question.

    I suspect they will be viewed as commems but who knows.

    The gold JFKs and Merc/SL/WL coins might provide some guidance but those were not original size much less metal.

  • AlongAlong Posts: 466 ✭✭✭✭

    I think commemoratives

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The PCGS half dollar type set now includes the gold Kennedy...... so who knows.

  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent question...I have thought the same.

    CC

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BryceM said:
    The PCGS half dollar type set now includes the gold Kennedy...... so who knows.

    Good to know.

    I think it’s more fun to include them.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They aren’t officially commemoratives from the mint as they are numismatic issues. It’s a good question, though. I think it should belong in the regular sets because of that. Besides, most of the Morgan series was made for bullion anyway so not that different.

  • AtcarrollAtcarroll Posts: 310 ✭✭✭

    I'm going to get at least 1 peace dollar to put in my dansco peace dollar set, still not sure about the morgans, i have about half that set but am not actively working on it right now.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

  • ɹoʇɔǝlloɔɹoʇɔǝlloɔ Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

    such a great observation

    does the swiss franc count too?

  • COCollectorCOCollector Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

    such a great observation

    does the swiss franc count too?

    And the British gold sovereign (St George and the Dragon) 1817 - present.

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  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

    such a great observation

    does the swiss franc count too?

    Good question. I’ll have to look that up sometime. I don’t have a modern Krause around to see.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 7:50PM

    @COCollector said:

    @ɹoʇɔǝlloɔ said:

    @TurtleCat said:
    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

    such a great observation

    does the swiss franc count too?

    And the British gold sovereign (St George and the Dragon) 1817 - present.

    Technically a different side per regent.

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK noted: The gold JFKs and Merc/SL/WL coins might provide some guidance but those were not original size much less metal.

    This is definitely correct, but it may be worth pointing out that the gold JFK has the same diameter as the silver and copper-nickel versions, so it will fit in a standard half dollar album. This fact, plus the fact that the Kennedy half is still being made, might suggest that it should be included in a complete collection of Kennedy halves! I think the argument is harder to make with the WLH, SLQ, and Mercury dime, given the amount of time that has passed and the notably smaller diameter.

    Higashiyama
  • anablepanablep Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:
    An interesting thought to me. The Morgan dollar is the only type I can think of that would appear in three different centuries effectively unchanged.

    Interesting observation! This is something I hadn't thought of.

    It seems the coin act didn't have a limit on how many years the dollars can be minted either. Unless I missed that point in reading the coin act H.R. 6192.

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

    "Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."


    ~Wayne
  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not my area of collecting but does the gold 2016 Mercury Dime enter into the series?

    CC

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will get one of each... not for a series. Just because I like both coins, and I like big silver coins...Cheers, RickO

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 25, 2021 8:47AM

    If they are going to have the same composition as the Silver Eagle Dollar, I wonder if they will have the same diameter as well?

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    If they are going to have the same composition as the Silver Eagle Dollar, I wonder if they will have the same diameter as well?

    All indications are that they will be the same planchets used for the silver dollar commemorative. So 0.999 fine (now) and same specifications size-wise as the classic dollars. But since there’s a slight bit more metal given the 0.999 it’s thought they might make the rim a bit thicker.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 26,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ill go with the commemorative end of it as well. again ill see if i can get some

  • RedStormRedStorm Posts: 220 ✭✭✭

    @TurtleCat said:

    @Zoins said:
    If they are going to have the same composition as the Silver Eagle Dollar, I wonder if they will have the same diameter as well?

    All indications are that they will be the same planchets used for the silver dollar commemorative. So 0.999 fine (now) and same specifications size-wise as the classic dollars. But since there’s a slight bit more metal given the 0.999 it’s thought they might make the rim a bit thicker.

    I was thinking the .999s would be ever-so-slightly thinner not thicker as silver is denser than copper and the .900 silvers have .100 copper.

  • TurtleCatTurtleCat Posts: 4,583 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedStorm said:

    @TurtleCat said:

    @Zoins said:
    If they are going to have the same composition as the Silver Eagle Dollar, I wonder if they will have the same diameter as well?

    All indications are that they will be the same planchets used for the silver dollar commemorative. So 0.999 fine (now) and same specifications size-wise as the classic dollars. But since there’s a slight bit more metal given the 0.999 it’s thought they might make the rim a bit thicker.

    I was thinking the .999s would be ever-so-slightly thinner not thicker as silver is denser than copper and the .900 silvers have .100 copper.

    What I have read is that they are keeping the same planchet dimensions which means a bit more silver to fill it out. The articles also said it might have a bit more rim as well.

  • MartinMartin Posts: 741 ✭✭✭✭

    Maybe a one year type coin within the series? (.999)

    Martin

  • DreamcrusherDreamcrusher Posts: 209 ✭✭✭✭

    Officially, the Peace and Morgan dollars are not commemoratives for two reasons:
    1. The proceeds from the sale of the coins will go to the Treasury and not a historical entity.
    2. By law, the Mint is only allowed to celebrate two subjects in any one year and the subjects for 2021 are Christa McAuliffe and the National Law Enforcement Memorial.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No matter what they're called or classified as, I'm interested in them. Can't say that about the majority of the Mint stuff, though.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon

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