1899 Morgan ngc unc details should I submit to pcgs
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I could use some advice.
The pictures are my 1899 Morgan ngc unc details obv scratched.
You can’t see the scratch in the field under the chin looking straight on but when looking at the coin from an angle there is a light scratch.
I think this is a beautiful coin and should have been graded.
My questions are:
-should I resubmit to ngc or to pcgs?
-if I do resubmit what grade should I expect?
Thank you for your help
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No - it won’t change the sell potential of the coin.
If NGC thought it was a problem coin why would somebody else not? Whether TPG or somebody off the bourse. What grade if they graded it - MS60.
Depends on the flaw. For example- one service may see hairlines that the other doesn't. A scratch would seem to be more definitive, though.
Is the scratch the mark from the star immediately before the E in E PLURIBUS UNUM down toward the lower portion of the neck and date? If so, that is a heck of a scratch.
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Thank you for your comments.
To me when I first saw the coin I couldn't figure out where the scratch was until I rotated the coin. So I viewed the scratch, since it was in the field, and hard to see as a non issue and I bought the coin.
Since again to me the scratch didn’t detract from the coin I thought maybe someone else would share my view and thus maybe pcgs.
Again, thank you for your comments this is how I learn.
Hard to say with that photo.
Tom b yes I believe that is the scratch
It was tough but is this photograph better
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As far as tuition goes you got off pretty cheap.
You still have a nice low mintage unc Morgan, you didn't get hurt.
PCGS called this one Details - Scratch just a couple months ago. I feel that they were very tough on this and you probably would not see any increase in value having yours sent to PCGS
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Ok lesson learned.
Thanks again I will save my money.
FYI the coin cost me $175- and I am happy with the way it looks.
That's a pretty long scratch, I can't see how a grader wouldn't be influenced by it. IMO. Peace Roy
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Look at it this way- It's known that scratches usually result in a details grade. If you bought a straight graded coin with a scratch like that that wasn't disclosed, would you be surprised to see it? Would you be happy with how the coin was graded?
Masong good point. If it wasn't details grade I expect the price would have been higher too.
I guess it is the definition of a scratch (and yes this coin has a scratch) and when does a scratch make a coin a details grade vs a straight grade. I have some details grade coins with scratches and they are very apparent whereas to me this scratch was not, it required some effort by rotating the coin to see it.
In summary from the comments and mcarney1173 post if a scratch is there no matter how much effort is required to see it, assume the coin would be a details grade.
The scratch is pretty easy to see, even in a static picture. Graders are twirling coins in the light, and the scratch would have flashed like a beacon. A scratch would have to be far less conspicuous on an uncirculated Morgan to be overlooked. It sounds like you didn't pay a ton for it. The price curve is weird on 1899s, and $175 is XF45 retail and barely below AU55, so you got what you paid for. I don't imagine you'll lose much if you decide to sell it, but you don't want to put more $ in grading fees that you won't recoup.
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It’s hard to say with your pictures but lots of coins with scratches straight grade. It just depends on the scratch.
An additional thought:
I shared table at a show once with a dealer who specialized in problem coins. In looking over his inventory coins were in details slabs or if not described honestly. He told me his goal was get somewhere between cost and retail. He wb the best qualified answer your question but sure he would need see it in person. Unfortunately he is deceased.
There are people who buy problem material and use this for their albums fill the hole.
You could try sell as is in it’s NGC holder I would recommend Great Collections.
Probably MS60 at best anyway, likely graders would see it the same way. If it is old and toned in, not that deep, or luster and eye appeal are overwhelming sometimes they will let it go. Double scratches rarely get straight grades.
If not for the scratch, I think it might go as high as MS64, but can't enlarge the image with my monitor. I think it's better than a 60 though.
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Definitely a visible scratch if viewing the coin for quality. Grading demands the coin be closely examined and moved in lighted conditions... ergo, the scratch would be highly visible. Cheers, RickO
When you buy a problem coin you make someone else's problem your problem. This coin is a good example of that. The scratch isn't going to go away.
You have the coin in hand and only you can see how bad the scratch is. It can sometimes take multiple submissions to a TPG to figure out exactly what the mostly likely grade is. And even then the next party after you still may be able to improve the grade if you sell it. The biggest problem you face is the coin probably isn’t worth enough money to spend any more for regrading. I would suggest avoiding problem coins unless you’re stretching or you’re an expert and think the coin will straight grade.
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