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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 21, 2021 6:48PM

    @DRUNNER said:
    $277 now . . . . . . .

    Drunner

    Wouldn't be surprised to see it reach $400.........It's all about the plastic, from here on out.....

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $350.00 with 18 hours to go.

    peacockcoins

  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,753 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $350 with 19 hours left.

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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    my first thought was unbelievable, followed closely by ridiculous and finalized with stupid.

    I can understand some of the niche markets in the Hobby and how they're supported by collectors but "Holder Collecting" is one I just can't wrap my head around.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2021 4:34PM

    @keets said:
    my first thought was unbelievable, followed closely by ridiculous and finalized with stupid.

    I can understand some of the niche markets in the Hobby and how they're supported by collectors but "Holder Collecting" is one I just can't wrap my head around.

    I understand your point of view.

    Personally, I think it would be cool to have one, just for the historical value, but I'd stop after that.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Walker . . . fully agreed. I have adjusted my acquisitions of slabs the same way. I have basically a 'Type Set' . . . and one or two of the older ones are just fine for me. History.

    Drunner

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,239 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 22, 2021 4:38PM

    Although I 'like' keet's comments- he is based on sound reasoning- I think back on how collectors must have felt when a limited few collected their silver commemorative half dollars in original mint packaging: even the early 50's mint sets and such. Now we look back and enjoy not only original coins yet also the original packaging they were in.
    It is not such a large leap to see how the "original" pcgs and ngc slabs may strike a fancy to collectors. After all, we are a strange breed, and we do enjoy coins (and slab!) that make us feel good. The late eighties era of collecting was an enjoyable time, and this slab reminds me of that.

    peacockcoins

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    just to be clear, I do in fact understand the historical nature of these various slabs and can see the interest in them. as DRUNNER said, since this example is really almost totally about the holder we'll know how they are valued. I just don't understand or appreciate the speculation in them. that's what I perceive a lot of this to be about, collectors who have discovered that they may be able to re-sell, but who aren't really collecting the history.

    to that history, I only see a few aspects that would cause me to see the holders as collectible. I think the collectors of them tend to think the same, but what I believe really drives this "market" is what holder generation has the lowest extant number available. a change, no mater how subtle or bold, of the insert really doesn't seem like anything at all. what is the big deal about the PCGS 108****** holders simply because they are white?? why does everyone consider that historical?? it's a freakin' change in paper, that's it. however, moving from the rattler to the two-piece shell to the one piece larger shell is an innovative advancement, something historical in holder design.

    the tricky thing is all about marketing, there aren't many white label 108******* holders but the two-piece shells are common by comparison.

    I can understand the fondness for the NGC black holders and see them as sort of historical, also, but it doesn't represent anything historical past the fact that it was the first NGC shell type. in that regard I see them as the same as the next white ones, just a different color. what really makes them valuable is only that there are so few of them. a historically relevant NGC holder, from my perspective, is when NGC started to separate the insert from the coin capsule with a change in the holder, the "line" that still exists today. at the same time NGC made the holder thinner, but that isn't much of an innovation

    there are other TPG "holders" that everyone sees as collectible but they only seem historical to me in terms of what they were trying to do, authenticate a coin and place it in some type of tamper-proof holder. in that regard I sort of like what ANACS did with photos, but the holders weren't really tamper-proof, being in a flip. ACG(Accugrade), for all the negative association, was sort of a historic thing that gets no respect. I mean, if we want to talk history and innovation then ACG should be at the forefront. that company(or more accurately, Alan Hagar) was a few years ahead of PCGS and NGC, maybe pioneered the tamper-proof, plastic encapsulation, and the holder had information and an image of the coin.

    to me, these "collectible holders" only have value because there are such low numbers and collectors by nature chase after that sort of thing. are they historic?? I think most of them aren't.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 9:16AM

    Hammered at $427.77!!!!

    Not bad, at all!!

    I'll bet the seller is HAPPY!!

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 9:21AM

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sold. Wondering how much over melt that is?
    Plastic melt not silver melt.

    Many happy BST transactions
  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    I’ll dig it out sometime today and post pics. If I remember correctly it’s a nice looking coin. I believe the imprint is on the outside, whichever one that is.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    The lack of a CAC sticker on the coin OP posted, combined with the 62 grade, and thus an elevated chance at gold CAC, gives that one some extra appeal.

    Is yours a 2.1 or a 2.0?

    "It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    I’ll dig it out sometime today and post pics. If I remember correctly it’s a nice looking coin. I believe the imprint is on the outside, whichever one that is.

    Thanks. That's the 2.0, which is a little less scarce than the 2.1.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It was fun to watch that auction and read the discussion here. I'm glad I have my own example from years ago, I'd hate to pay up for an ugly ol' 62 in this market today. B)

  • DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Back when we were building up a Census of these, I bought every one I have from $190 to $220. But that was 10 years ago.

    Drunner

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 11:52AM

    :blush:

  • EXOJUNKIEEXOJUNKIE Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    Hammered at $427.77!!!!

    Not bad, at all!!

    Ridiculous IMHO but to each their own. 🤦‍♂️

    As an exonumist a lot of people think I’m crazy, so I guess we’re even haha.

    I'm addicted to exonumia ... it is numismatic crack!

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,087 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 23, 2021 11:16PM

    i probably own more of the these NGC 2.1 slabs than any other collector yet I did not pursue this auction because I did not see this thread as well as missed this ebay lot for sale.

    I do not dispute the current pure fair market value of the NGC 2.1 slab as approximating the final sale price of this ebay lot ($427.77) but it is more than I am willing to pay for it only because I am not currently a motivated buyer as I already have numerous Morgan silver dollars in these slabs.

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  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added comment:

    a scarce but equally inexpensive coin type not commonly found in the NGC 2.1 slab would be more attractive to me at even higher than the $427.77 amount.

    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • jonrunsjonruns Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no problem if someone can find a little pleasure in buying a piece of plastic for $427...I am certainly guilty of spending more and getting less on many occasions...

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    Tragic story!! I just remembered I forgot to take pictures of this coin. I went downstairs and grabbed it out of the safe and as I did it slipped out of my hands and hit the tile floor! 🤦🏽‍♂️😭 this is the resulting damage. I guess on the bright side, it wasn’t a NGC black insert. Guess I’ll have this in my collection for awhile. 😞


  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,490 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @nk1nk said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    Tragic story!! I just remembered I forgot to take pictures of this coin. I went downstairs and grabbed it out of the safe and as I did it slipped out of my hands and hit the tile floor! 🤦🏽‍♂️😭 this is the resulting damage. I guess on the bright side, it wasn’t a NGC black insert. Guess I’ll have this in my collection for awhile. 😞


    That’s terrible!! I was seriously considering buying it!! Was it a 2.1 or 2.0?

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @nk1nk said:
    I have a NGC white label common date Morgan MS63 cac sticker I’ll let go for $425 if you missed out on this one.

    Images?

    Date/MM?

    2.0 or 2.1?

    Tragic story!! I just remembered I forgot to take pictures of this coin. I went downstairs and grabbed it out of the safe and as I did it slipped out of my hands and hit the tile floor! 🤦🏽‍♂️😭 this is the resulting damage. I guess on the bright side, it wasn’t a NGC black insert. Guess I’ll have this in my collection for awhile. 😞


    That’s terrible!! I was seriously considering buying it!! Was it a 2.1 or 2.0?

    I can’t even believe that happened. It’s a 2.0

  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    So after I dropped this slab I was so sick about it that I didn’t even put it back into the safe and it’s been sitting on my shelf in my closet ever since. I finally got sick of looking at it and I was contemplating what to do with it. I had purchased this coin from a seller on Instagram and paid $315 plus $8 shipping which at the time I felt was top dollar and seeing the one this post was originally about sell for $427 I figured that was the time to sell and a nice $100 profit would be nice since I own a couple other 2.0’s then the tragic drop happened 🤦🏽‍♂️
    I almost just threw it up on the BST here with a $220 OBO and was hoping to settle between $180 and $220 and just lick my wounds and move forward but I decided to search eBay’s sold auctions and was surprised to see common date Morgan’s like mine going for over $700 and even $1,000 😳! I decided to take my chances with selling it on eBay in hopes of breaking even. I immediately got messages after the auction went live for a buy it now price and a few offers of around $300 but decided to let it ride. Final auction price $960! Unbelievable in my opinion, these slabs have gone to the moon and back. My auction had almost 40 watchers so there’s quite a few collectors out there looking for them.

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow! I can’t believe it still went close to 1000 after it was damaged! Glad to see you didn’t take a loss. Incredible

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  • nk1nknk1nk Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭

    There’s one on eBay currently at $960 with 3 days left. 😳

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