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  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    well Rob, that is one super coin.
    ICCS Grading or our host?

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  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS

    Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice $10 gold Bosox! I have wanted a $10 gold for type for quite some time and finally bought one, graded MS64 by NGC. I would have really liked an MS65 coin but my pockets are a bit shallow so MS64 it is.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love the Canadian gold and handled 150+ pieces when the RCM sold them in 2013. I've kept several for myself as bullion as well as a complete 1912-1914 set in both denominations.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An 11-year old YouTube video featuring a discussion between former PCGS president Don Willis and Sandy Campbell, regarding the release of the hoard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNCmKLTwkWw

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the link to the video. I had seen this before, but others no doubt missed it. What got me annoyed about the sale of these coins was that they were announced and offered in mid-November, 2012 and then their delivery got pushed back and pushed back and pushed back while the price of gold dropped significantly. That turned a lot of folks off to the entire series, at least on the PCGS boards. I finally received mine in the first week of February, 2013 when the RCM sent a courier to an agreed upon meeting location and allowed me to pick through a few thousand coins. At that time they still had not delivered the orders to other folks.

    The worst part of this is that I was told the delay was due to a logistical problem in getting come of the packing materials.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom B, that's some clout you had (have) there, if the RCM was willing to let you sift through a nice assortment to find the ones that you liked. I remember when they first came out, and sat on the fence long enough to miss the opportunity to get a couple for type right out of the gate.

    Ironically, pre-hoard I owned a 1912 $10 in an ICCS AU58 holder which crossed over to PCGS as MS61, as well as a 1912 $5 in a PCGS MS63 holder. Both coins had better eye appeal, in terms of the absence of bag marks and rim dings, than most of the MS64's and '65's that came out of the hoard, in my opinion. I traded them both away as part of a deal to procure a 1913-C Canadian gold sovereign graded PCGS MS63, which I no longer own. I've done some regrettable trades over the years and this was one of them.

    Anyhow it's nice to own one of the $10's once again. My MS64 looks a lot better in hand than in my photos. The bag marks in the obverse fields are only visible to the eye when the coin is tilted slightly when viewing - otherwise they are relatively unobtrusive.

  • AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭✭✭


  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As part of our pre-determined details for the transaction, I had guaranteed I would purchase something like 150-coins and was only given the option to go through the 1913 and 1914 $10 coins. I ended up purchasing perhaps 165-coins at the time and then sent them that night to PCGS via Registered Mail.

    Incredibly, they traveled from New England to CA in just a few days (shipped them on a Monday evening just as the PO was closing and they were in-house at PCGS Friday morning local time) and PCGS graded them for me by the next Monday. PCGS then shipped them that Tuesday and I had them in my hands again by Thursday. So, about 10-days from meeting with the courier to pick out the coins, shipping them Registered Mail cross country, having them graded at PCGS and then returned cross country.

    That will never happen again!

    Prior to PCGS receiving the coins they emailed me to let me know that their proposed paper certificate design for the slab was not yet ready and they asked if I would accept the gold-foil insert style they had used for some other pieces. I agreed and my coins were returned with the gold-foil style we agreed upon. PCGS then immediately started to slab the coins with their other inserts, so my group is the only group with the original gold-foil insert. Just an odd detail to know.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think I may have seen one or two of your gold foil insert coins online from time-to-time. An interesting tale indeed, and thanks for sharing your experience.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GotTheBug said:
    I think I may have seen one or two of your gold foil insert coins online from time-to-time. An interesting tale indeed, and thanks for sharing your experience.

    This was the gold foil insert style that PCGS issued when I sent my group there-

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Never seen the gold foil insert before but this is my insert, the one that bulk submitters were given.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:

    @GotTheBug said:
    I think I may have seen one or two of your gold foil insert coins online from time-to-time. An interesting tale indeed, and thanks for sharing your experience.

    This was the gold foil insert style that PCGS issued when I sent my group there-

    I like it better than the insert shown in Greenstang's photo. A simple design that says "gold". The other insert is too busy but that's just my personal taste.

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2024 3:11PM

    At Summer FUN, I submitted three Newfoundland halves for the heck of it to see how PCGS would grade them. They are already in grading, so I thought I'd post the coins now and offer up my guesses as to their grades. Feel free to post your grades for these coins.

    1870 VF30

    1872-H VF30

    1876-H VF35 - probably an old wipe but with no visible hairlines. It should straight-grade by my reckoning.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2024 3:36AM

    I agree with your assessments.

  • DanB1962DanB1962 Posts: 17 ✭✭

    Freshly graded from a 1960 PL set and the nicest coin from the set at PL66

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @syl said:
    I agree with your assessments.

    As expected, PCGS doesn't. Grades for my three Newfoundland halves were posted yesterday. All three graded XF40.
    PCGS grades Newfie halves on average, almost two grades higher than I do. For this submission, 1.67 grades higher than I did.

    Unfortunately, I have photos for the higher mintage coins, but they haven't released the photos for the 76-H yet. I'll comment on the 76-H and its two varieties when the photos are posted.

    The Trueview shows the same problem with color. They're still turning gray coins into brown and orange coins.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭

    Again, a great coin, Rob. From the vine at 2, looks like a later in the year strike. I really like the mini die cracks on the Obv which you may not even see on a coin with any wear

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 9, 2024 7:09PM

    After waiting all weekend, the 1876-H Trueview finally posted (below). Another yellow Trueview. The image has been edited a bit below.

    PCGS XF40 1876-H Upright 7

    The 1876-H comes in two varieties differentiated by the orientation of the 7. BOTH types have a repunched 6. A numismatist in Canada has discussed these varieties before, but I have not seen their comments, don't know their type names and cannot remember this person's name. It's Belli-something. Anyway...

    The first type I call "Upright 7" is identified by extending a line along the top of the 7 toward 6, that line will just miss the top of the 6. The 6 also shows remnants of the underlying 6 to the left of the loop bottom.

    1876-H "Upright 7"
    Synonyms: "50 cents 1876 - Repunched 6" and
    "H" in Coins& Canada



    The second type is what I call "Tilted 7." It has what appears to be a smaller 7 with a right lean such that a line extended from the top of the 7 will clearly intersect the top of the 6. Remnants of the underlying 6 when visible are found to the right of the loop.

    1876-H "Tilted 7"
    Synonym: "H - 6/6"

    .

    Edited out - A wild paragraph here about my confusion figuring out types and synonymies 10 minutes before the close of an auction for the XF45 76-H above. It turns out this purchased coin was an "Upright 7," the second Upright 7 in my set. The Tilted 7 appears to be the same as "H - 6/6."

    So, why did a Tilted 7 (=H-6/6) sell for C$1120 last year? A bidding war? Or is the "H - 6/6" a scarcer variety? I checked eBay and Coin Facts and found 13 sales of '76-Hs where the variety could be determined. The Upright 7 was represented by 11 examples, while the Tilted 7 by only two examples, one of which was the P25 coin that I own above, but in an NGC holder. Assuming these results actually represents a 5:1 ratio between Upright 7 and Tilted 7 varieties, this would mean only about 5000-6000 Tilted 7s were minted out of the 28,000 minted. I'll need to check other Auction houses to get a more reliable ratio between the two types.

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  • bosoxbosox Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2024 1:24PM

    Barberian - with a mintage of only 28,000, there probably were only two reverse dies used that year. It looks from your coins that they had removed the last two digits from the original punch and manually punched the 76 into each working die. Not only are the 7s different, but the 6s are in different locations. Each reverse die probably lasted different times in service.

    Numismatic author & owner of the Uncommon Cents collections. 2011 Fred Bowman award winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson award winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca award winner.

    http://www.victoriancent.com
  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:

    The 1876-H comes in two varieties differentiated by the orientation of the 7. BOTH types have a repunched 6. A numismatist in Canada has discussed these varieties before, but I have not seen their comments, don't know their type names and cannot remember this person's name. It's Belli-something. Anyway...

    The variety guy for Newfoundland coins is Barry Borsellino.

    Gene

    Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
    Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors

    Collector of:
    Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
    Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
    My Ebay
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1960NYGiants said:

    @Barberian said:

    The 1876-H comes in two varieties differentiated by the orientation of the 7. BOTH types have a repunched 6. A numismatist in Canada has discussed these varieties before, but I have not seen their comments, don't know their type names and cannot remember this person's name. It's Belli-something. Anyway...

    The variety guy for Newfoundland coins is Barry Borsellino.

    Thanks! I have it written down in my old Redbook but I cannot find it right now. I'd love to read what he says about these two varieties and others.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bosox said:
    Barberian - with a mintage of only 28,000, there probably were only two reverse dies used that year. It looks from your coins that they had removed the last two digits from the original punch and manually punched the 76 into each working die. Not only are the 7s different, but the 6s are in different locations. Each reverse die probably lasted different times in service.

    Nice post! I screwed up the mintage as 24K when it is a whopping 28,000. I'll change the numbers above.

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  • PhilArnoldPhilArnold Posts: 74 ✭✭✭✭

    All this talk of Vicky Newfoundland 50c pieces reminds me that I picked one nicely circulated example up from the BST last year. I forget which forum member I got it from as I did the deal under my old PCGS handle. Anyway, I recently re-imaged the coin.

    Phil Arnold
    Director of Photography, GreatCollections
    greatcollections.com

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilArnold said:
    All this talk of Vicky Newfoundland 50c pieces reminds me that I picked one nicely circulated example up from the BST last year. I forget which forum member I got it from as I did the deal under my old PCGS handle. Anyway, I recently re-imaged the coin.

    Your photography is a joy to behold!

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am looking forward to receiving the newest addition to my Canadian fifty cents collection, acquired from Hugues Gervais on eBay and graded PCGS MS65. I am hoping that the coin comes close to resembling the True View photo, though I imagine that it will show much less reddish orange than depicted here.

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin. I also collect the silver 50 cents along with the dollars. There are quite a few varieties in the King George series. Show us a photo when you receive it.

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Greenstang said:
    Nice coin. I also collect the silver 50 cents along with the dollars. There are quite a few varieties in the King George series. Show us a photo when you receive it.

    I haven't had much luck finding nice examples of George V varieties yet. Too much competition, as you probably know, but that's what makes it fun...

  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A new acquisition from a recent Stacks Bowers auction - 1882-H Newfoundland fifty cents graded PCGS XF45. I've adjusted the True View to somewhat reflect reality but it does not pick up the luster that remains around the peripheries on both sides.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Isn't it terrible when we have to write "I've adjusted the True View to somewhat reflect reality..."

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2024 10:42AM

    @GotTheBug said:
    I am looking forward to receiving the newest addition to my Canadian fifty cents collection, acquired from Hugues Gervais on eBay and graded PCGS MS65. I am hoping that the coin comes close to resembling the True View photo, though I imagine that it will show much less reddish orange than depicted here.

    The coin is in hand. Here's the True View adjusted. You'll have to use your imagination, as in the white areas in the photo are actually brilliant, reflective silver in color. It's a real beauty, for which I paid a hefty premium.

    Edited to add: If PCGS can get their photographers to damp down the saturation in their True Views, then they will have a much better product to present.

  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭

    Very nice! You need sunglasses

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,642 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Whats going on with his ear, as it is raised like a cud ? IT issues . No full photos temp. Sry.



  • AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anacs solo pop.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough NFLD half to find in AU58! Nice snag.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Tough NFLD half to find in AU58! Nice snag.

    Yes it is! I was very surprised to find it.

  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭

    WOW! What a looker!

  • 1960NYGiants1960NYGiants Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 13, 2024 6:57AM

    @GotTheBug - nice pickups.

    Gene

    Life member #369 of the Royal Canadian Numismatic Association
    Member of Canadian Association of Token Collectors

    Collector of:
    Canadian coins and pre-confederation tokens
    Darkside proof/mint sets dated 1960
    My Ebay
  • GotTheBugGotTheBug Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @syl said:
    WOW! What a looker!

    @1960NYGiants said:
    @GotTheBug - nice pickups.

    Thanks guys. The fishscale appears to be exceptionally well-struck, which is always a plus.

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,626 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @GotTheBug said:
    Just found out I won a Stacks Bowers auction for this NGC-graded MS65 five cents silver. This will be an upgrade to my raw 1920 piece. I really like collecting these small coins and have the full run of fishscales, including major varieties, minus the 1921.

    I've adopted a stress-free auction "strategy", "Set It & Forget It". This appears to be working on some of the less popular series, and it's always nice to wake up to a positive auction result in my inbox.

    A little jewel. I love fishscales.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • sylsyl Posts: 945 ✭✭✭

    Young Vicky always looked nice on the '58's.

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 16, 2024 4:18PM

    A very nice coin,
    What grade would ICCS give it?
    any good guesses?
    h

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