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A couple of peculiar Indians.

joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 5, 2021 5:07PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Hi guy's. Picked these up today knowing these are not your everyday Indian cents. Thanks guy's
1909 Clipped planchet?


Now this one, what the heck is it?



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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like pmd by fork! Peace Roy

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top coin could be a clip but the other damage on the coin makes the point moot.
    The 1897 is PMD as well.

  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 5, 2021 5:18PM

    @mannie gray said:
    Top coin could be a clip but the other damage on the coin makes the point moot.
    The 1897 is PMD as well.

    I can see maybe the 1909 being PMD but the other coin, 1897, looks more like it NOT being a PMD. Look at the first line going "through or under", the 7? If it was damaged by a hit of some sort. Wouldn't that line be on "top" of the 7 as well? Also, those lines are convex. :*

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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both coins PMD. :/

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For incomplete planchets, one of the keys is the edge. Does it have the characteristic punch and tear, or some type of abrasion? Based on the strong denticles up to the edge, and what may be some raised metal, I'm going with PMD

    The second coin is PMD

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 30,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    @mannie gray said:
    Top coin could be a clip but the other damage on the coin makes the point moot.
    The 1897 is PMD as well.

    I can see maybe the 1909 being PMD but the other coin, 1897, looks more like it NOT being a PMD. Look at the first line going "through or under", the 7? If it was damaged by a hit of some sort. Wouldn't that line be on "top" of the 7 as well? Also, those lines are convex. :*

    You are ignoring the gouges that go through the letters in "America". Just because one of the gouges missed the 7 doesn't mean anything.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The only thing that I can add is that the date on the second coin also looks like the 9 was affected by a partially filled die. I’ve seen a number of ihc’s with this feature, and it generally is the third digit affected.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,590 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ok, thank you guy's. ;)

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No to both for me.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have to say, and agree with others, that both are PMD.... I would like to see an edge picture of the first one though.... Cheers, RickO

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 1909 is definitely not a clip, the rim will not be fully formed next to a genuine clip as the metal will flow into the void under striking pressure. After a couple of decades looking at them, I would venture to guess that 90% or more of classic coins offered as "straight clips" are actually damaged.

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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey Joey, you are becoming if not already a coin/variety nut like some of us. Congrats that’s a good thing. Now the next step before you get your diploma is you need to really learn as best you can the coin striking process. It should have taken you less than 1 second to clearly see the second coin was PMD. I can see looking at the first example a few times, but not the second.
    Keep enjoying the hunt 😊

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