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ajaanajaan Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

when grading a coin?

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CU #3245 B.N.A. #428



  • drei3reedrei3ree Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭✭

    Man. that needs a dip!

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2020 7:39AM

    Idk have they published anything on it? For many finger marks a no go regardless of technical grade.

    Irregardless there are buyers who pay moon money for toners like this piece. Just Price it 2-3x cost. I don’t worry about technical stuff on these. The right buyer who likes that look = $$$. Please share PCGS grade on these so all facts are evident.

    I think it has good potential as is. The fantastic toning is a huge plus. I can barely see the finger marks on it not a detracting factor considering it’s toning. MS70 is perfect lol.

    These are real coins minted for commerce finger marks no real biggie. As a matter of fact like the fossil record they are a historical record of handling by someone in bygone era.

    Eye appeal is a subjective factor as evidenced by the toner crowd vs the brilliant, white, blazer fans.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 44,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eye appeal is a grading factor for Mint State grades so I would say yes.

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  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,388 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And of course the latents are on both sides. Still the 78-s has a lot going for it. Love to study that coin. Peace Roy

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do.... as do many others...So whether or not the TPG considers them in the grade, many buyers consider fingerprints a negative. Cheers, RickO

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin doesn't belong to me. It is graded PCGS MS65+

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    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well struck and mark free but the fingerprints ... pass.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately, this is a coin that will create a split view. Most will complain about fingerprints. The minority will look at character of the coin and appreciate it for what it is not. I am in the minority... leave it as it stands. A dip will not make this coin better- instead, the greater likelihood is that it will magnify the imperfections and this 1878-s will loose its character and assume the look of hundreds that have been enhanced.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 28, 2020 8:11AM

    @ajaan said:
    Coin doesn't belong to me. It is graded PCGS MS65+

    It’s definitely worth that money and much more with its fantastic toning IMO. I have seen similar toned coins priced 2-3x price guides and sell quickly on the bourse. With CU MV $350 I think at least $600 price (super PQ) on it or am I too low - start higher? I mean just how rare is a super toner like that....which is also a plus - upper PQ range of its 65 grade. $$$+

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,749 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When the fingerprints blend into the toning such as this one does, creating positive eye appeal, I am unoffended. However when they stand out on proof reflective surfaces...ugh!

    As an aside, I did not think a fingerprint could be dipped off. It is my understanding that it is etched into the surface of the coin. Anyone want to comment on that?

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,424 ✭✭✭✭✭

    DCW... In this instance if the coin is dipped, the greater probable outcome will be that some if not all fingerprints remain, and they become a greater distraction... especially for those that find them distracting now. I like the coin as it is... if PCGS graded it a 65+, the graders could not have found them to be that negative.

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Generally, I eschew fingerprints and this example would be a pass for me. Occasionally I'll still knowingly purchase a coin with prints if the eye appeal is superior and the print blends in well, such as this example —

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  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭

    I don't think the fingerprints are distracting at all on that Morgan, due to the toning. If it was blast white with those prints, then, yes, they would be very distracting. Just my opinion and preference.


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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The print doesn't stand out too bad but the toning doesn't anything for me either.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 5,951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    hey I like toners, but not sure what we going gaga over , I see no special toning or super EA here.

    Yes it is well graded at 65+, period.

    And at that grade as is the print does not bother me.

    @PocketChange that one would be a keeper for me, love that reverse.

  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nobody hates finger prints more than I do but on the OP's coin with the toning it has the finger prints blend in and don't bother me.

    GrandAm :)

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