1964 cent struck on copper-nickel clad dime Planchet?????
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How many of these exist?
PCGS slabbed.
I just bought one on Heritage December 15th.
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That is cool. Might it be the only one?
I remember reading that the US Mint did not release 1965 clad dimes until late 1965 and for the clad quarters until spring 1966.
According to my research, the US Mint kept minting 1964 dated silver Dimes and quarters well into
1965 to alleviate the coin shortage.
What about the timing of the minting of the 1964 and 1965 cents?
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I have that somewhere. Manana.
I believe the 64 Kennedy Half was minted well into 65 as well.
I have handled at least 5. I’m sure Fred and Jon have too. I estimate 15-20 known.
A great transitional error.
As far as I know the mint did strike silver into 1965 alongside clad. So, both production lines were going at once.
But a clad 1964 cent is still pretty darn unusual.
I believe the 64 Kennedy Half was minted well into 65 as well.
I agree with air4mdc.
So that error would indicate that the Mint had clad planchets available when the were striking cents in 1964 or they continued striking 1964 cents into 1965.
I am familiar with the striking of 1964 dated silver into 1965 and 1966, but can't recall reading about striking dated cents in later years
The point of my thread Is to investigate whether the 1964 dated cent was also struck well into 1965 even though it was not part of the silver/clad quagmire the US Mint found itself in.
Otherwise, if the US Mint ended striking 1964 cents on December 31, 1964 that would be evidence that the US Mint was preparing type 2 clad planchets in 1964 which I was not aware of.
I question this possibility which is tantamount to discovering a reverse transitional error.
Exactly my question. Why would a type 2 clad planchet be sitting in a planchet hopper as a “leftover” planchet when it was not in use or supposed to be used yet?
This makes me believe the 1964 dated cent was struck in part of 1965.
I don't have the datesat hand but all 1964 coins were struck into 1965 because of a law passed in 1964 that froze the date in perpetuity. The Coinage Act of 1965 superseded this law and froze the 1965 date. By July all coins were supposed to have the 1965 date except silver coinage that remained in production with the 1964 date. '64 dimes were still in production in early 1966!
Ckad quarters were released about November of 1965 and got into circulation very quickly. The dimes followed some weeks later.
It's a wonder there aren't a lot more mismatches like this "cent" but a great number of mules and other types were generated during these years.
How about a transitional 1965 silver nickel ...
Here's an excerpt from an article I did for Coin Week earlier this year:
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The Mints began striking 1965-dated CN-clad quarters on August 23, 1965, while continuing to strike 1964-dated .900 fine quarters until January of 1966. The last silver quarters were struck at the San Francisco Assay Office (the former S.F. Mint which had closed in 1955 due to a then lack of demand for coinage!) which had been re-opened in the early 1960’s to help fight the coin shortage. Coins made there before 1968 were struck without mint marks to discourage hoarding.
After a large quantity of the clad quarters had been stockpiled (again to discourage hoarding) they were released into circulation in November of 1965. The production of CN-clad Dimes began a few months after the Quarters, but they were not released until January of 1966, probably to avoid interfering with the 1965 Christmas shopping season. In those days when credit cards were not as common as they are today the Mint typically had an increased demand for coins from Thanksgiving on. The striking of .900 fine Dimes at Denver ended in early 1966.
The 1965 Cent and Nickel began production on 12-29-65 and the 1965 Half on 12-30-65, but the Half Dollar does not figure into the silver withdrawal story. Huge quantities of 1965-dated Dimes and Quarters were struck through the end of July, 1966, followed by huge quantities of 1966-dated Dimes and Quarters in the last five months of 1966.
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So production of the clad dimes began in the Fall of 1965 while production of the 1964 cents continued until December of 1965. That is the overlap during which your piece was struck. Great transitional!
TD
Couldn't it be a one off? They accidentally used an old die for a short time by accident. They don't have to have been striking 64 cents in 65.
I have never had the good fortune to find one of these type errors... as much change as I handle through transactions, I check for such things as I receive the coins. I have thought about getting a part time job as a cashier at a local store, just so I could check for such things all day long....
Then I thought again and decided not to do it.
Cheers, RickO
Too many other fun things take up my time....
Capt Henway:
Thank you for your excerpt of the CW article.
Heritage stated incorrect information about the 1964 cent striking date which prompted my thread.
Heritage stated:
“1964 1C Lincoln Cent -- Struck on Clad Dime Planchet -- MS63 PCGS. Struck late in the year after the Mint had clad dime planchets on hand for the new year's coinage. This wrong-planchet cent is generally well struck, although the thinness of the dime planchet produces some softness in the centers. Most legends are readable, although IN GOD WE TRUST runs off the flan.”
Did they also produce 1964 cents into 1965?
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Are these wrong planchet errors really "transitional" in how they were made? Or is it just that they happened to be in years when metals were transitioning, but nothing to do with the error itself?
I erroneously switched the 1965 clad dime and 1965 clad quarter release dates.
Cool coin nonetheless!
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Well, the coin shortage was beginning and the Mints were spitting out as many coins as they could.
I'm not surprised more have not shown up.
Pete
I too remember 1965 well! as I was 12 years old and was a newspaper delivery boy in my hometown for an afternoon local newspaper. I looked everyday for an older silver dime or silver quarter but did find one transitional dime but had a major punch mark (to test the coin) so I stupidly spent it. I am haunted by my memory of not keeping that dime!
That is like Totally Kehooool
What the back look like ?
Steve
saving from archives.
nice transitional
I don't know how I missed this.
Yes. There was a law passed in the middle of 1964 that froze the '64 date forever. This law was superseded by the Coinage Act of 1965 but it froze the 1965 date forever or until the mint director decided otherwise. After this latter law both silver and clad were struck and the dates on cents and nickels became 1965. This new date was continued until some time in 1966 IMS.
All those hundreds of millions of silver nickels and this one has more silver than any of 'em.
LOL.
Wouldn't it be awesome if someone could put together a set of all denominations dated 1965 struck on transitional 90% silver planchets?
I'm sure that Fred Weinberg, Sullivan Numismatics and Mike Byers have helped collectors
put together the transitional 1965 90% silver set(s).
Since I can't see the reeds of a regular dime on these transitional coins in the pics provided, should I assume they are there? I'm thinking seeing reeds on the 3rd sides of a Cent and Nickel would be very interesting.
Leo
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Cents and nickels don't have reeded collars.
I was thinking they were struck on dimes instead of planchets. My error!
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