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Will the 2021 coins arrive before we are able to add 2020 coins to our current sets?

Year is almost over and I still cannot add 2020 Jefferson nickels to my sets.

Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053

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  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    The 2020 coins have slots so You should be able to add them...but they are not required and do not count for Ranking/Rating until early 2021

    I have Mine added

  • oldsmagnetoldsmagnet Posts: 30 ✭✭
    edited December 17, 2020 1:27PM

    @JonJet said: The 2020 coins have slots

    SOME 2020 coins have slots. They finally added my 2020 Australia Kangaroo slot here a couple weeks ago, been waiting since the end of July. Koala 2020 slot is still "Pending", since the end of September

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    JEFFERSON NICKELS BASIC SET, PROOF (1965-PRESENT) set has 3 slots for S-W-W Rev coins

  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭✭✭

    None of the jefferson nickel, business strike, sets have 2020 slots.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • I still can't add my 2019 Proof dimes, let a lone the 2020's

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18, 2020 8:55PM

    They usually do this in January and considering CA has the worst outbreak of Covid-19 in the US, I would not rush the situation, as coin slots are not that important relative to employee safety at the moment.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • @Goldminers said:
    They usually do this in January

    I think January is usually when the slots become "required" -- typically the slot becomes available the first time someone gets a correct cert number and requests it to be added (or in the pre-pandemic scenario, when someone on the Registry staff happens to notice one that catches their eye and adds it on their own...) But yeah, it's a rotten year for everything, and in terms of the registry, for us, it's a mild inconvenience. So far. --- Although, in theory, in highly contested sets, the first one to get that slot filled ~after~ it becomes mandatory will jump to the #1 spot and stay there... and if it displaces the user who actually requested that slot six months earlier, there could certainly be some hard feelings. And after this year's gold-bust, I'd say the ~last~ thing PCGS would want to do would be to disenfranchise even more of its long-term competitive members.

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    @oldsmagnet said:

    @Goldminers said:
    They usually do this in January

    So far. --- Although, in theory, in highly contested sets, the first one to get that slot filled ~after~ it becomes mandatory will jump to the #1 spot and stay there... and if it displaces the user who actually requested that slot six months earlier, there could certainly be some hard feelings. And after this year's gold-bust, I'd say the ~last~ thing PCGS would want to do would be to disenfranchise even more of its long-term competitive members.

    It would seem that the "long-term competitive members" have a distinct advantage already written into "The Rules"...

    I've argued this with PCGS on many occasions...but it seems that "Start Date" comes into play often and for some reason gives the ability for sets to jump right up the list simply because they "Started the Set" earlier than others - and even though I moved up in rankings because I added a coin that "A PCGS Elder" did not have and dropped them and others 15-25 spots in the rankings...the moment they bought and added the coin AFTER I did they jump right back to their former rank

    NASCAR has a competitive group too...they compete thru the season...some win...some don't...

    But at the end of the season it's those that were FIRST that get a shot at 1st Place honors...and the guy who lost out during the season because he had numerous breakdowns doesn't get his spot given back...or get a chance to compete for the top spots just because he may have been unlucky

    Friendly competition under PCGS Rules is unfairly slanted toward the Set Registry Members who have been here from the start...rather than recognizing Completion...they recognize Start Date - and that special group that gets a private heads-up about newly created sets will always linger at the top of the rankings...much to the anger of collectors outside the inner circle who work day-in day-out thru the year to add new Slots to Set Registry - and see their collections near the bottom of page 2 because they simply didn't have the "inside track advantage" of knowing when new sets were created

    Completion means nothing - don't matter when You finish...it's when You started that gets the recognition

    I've been there...earned a Set Leader Medal...was at the Top Spot in the Rankings...had the FIRST 100% completed Set - and those who bought that last coin later jumped right back above Me because Start Date is a tie-breaker

    I think the disenfranchising movement has already taken effect - and it's doing it's best to discourage new collectors that could be the lifeblood of Set Registry in coming generations

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 15, 2021 2:30PM

    @JonJet said:

    @oldsmagnet said:

    @Goldminers said:
    They usually do this in January

    So far. --- Although, in theory, in highly contested sets, the first one to get that slot filled ~after~ it becomes mandatory will jump to the #1 spot and stay there... and if it displaces the user who actually requested that slot six months earlier, there could certainly be some hard feelings. And after this year's gold-bust, I'd say the ~last~ thing PCGS would want to do would be to disenfranchise even more of its long-term competitive members.

    It would seem that the "long-term competitive members" have a distinct advantage already written into "The Rules"...

    I've argued this with PCGS on many occasions...but it seems that "Start Date" comes into play often and for some reason gives the ability for sets to jump right up the list simply because they "Started the Set" earlier than others - and even though I moved up in rankings because I added a coin that "A PCGS Elder" did not have and dropped them and others 15-25 spots in the rankings...the moment they bought and added the coin AFTER I did they jump right back to their former rank

    NASCAR has a competitive group too...they compete thru the season...some win...some don't...

    But at the end of the season it's those that were FIRST that get a shot at 1st Place honors...and the guy who lost out during the season because he had numerous breakdowns doesn't get his spot given back...or get a chance to compete for the top spots just because he may have been unlucky

    Friendly competition under PCGS Rules is unfairly slanted toward the Set Registry Members who have been here from the start...rather than recognizing Completion...they recognize Start Date - and that special group that gets a private heads-up about newly created sets will always linger at the top of the rankings...much to the anger of collectors outside the inner circle who work day-in day-out thru the year to add new Slots to Set Registry - and see their collections near the bottom of page 2 because they simply didn't have the "inside track advantage" of knowing when new sets were created

    Completion means nothing - don't matter when You finish...it's when You started that gets the recognition

    I've been there...earned a Set Leader Medal...was at the Top Spot in the Rankings...had the FIRST 100% completed Set - and those who bought that last coin later jumped right back above Me because Start Date is a tie-breaker

    I think the disenfranchising movement has already taken effect - and it's doing it's best to discourage new collectors that could be the lifeblood of Set Registry in coming generations

    Why do you keep posting the same thing over and over? For some reason you have become obsessed with this idea that if you buy an identical coin in a new year, a few days before anyone else who has collected the same series for decades, that somehow makes you deserving of some special reward.

    If you have the exact same coins, you get the exact same ranking number. There is no bias in that. It is completely, 100% fair. If you have a set of all 70's you will be #1 along with all the other #1's who have the exact same coins.

    I find it a bit surprising that you think a collector who started and worked on a registry set for 15 years should not be given any recognition at all in the simple positioning of their set, compared to someone who just started collecting yesterday, as long as they both have the exact same coins.

    I think we all should be more appreciative of PCGS because they have provided a great Registry for us to use. Try to just enjoy the hobby and your coins more, instead of posting constant criticism of our hosts, especially during this terribly difficult time for everyone.

    Edited to add: Why not start a post of some photos of your favorite Registry set coins you mention? Do some have nice toning? Just mentioning ideas as this forum is not supposed to be just a digital complaint box.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    @Goldminers said:
    I find it a bit surprising that you think a collector who started and worked on a registry set for 15 years should not be given any recognition at all in the simple positioning of their set, compared to someone who just started collecting yesterday, as long as they both have the exact same coins.

    You miss My point completely...as You have missed it in every case by overlooking the facts...

    What if You have coins that no other collection has?

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JonJet said:

    @Goldminers said:
    I find it a bit surprising that you think a collector who started and worked on a registry set for 15 years should not be given any recognition at all in the simple positioning of their set, compared to someone who just started collecting yesterday, as long as they both have the exact same coins.

    You miss My point completely...as You have missed it in every case by overlooking the facts...

    What if You have coins that no other collection has?

    If you actually have other qualified coins in a set, that no other collection has, on the end date of the annual cutoff, then you have a valid issue to discuss with PCGS offline, as that is what customer service can help with.

    It is possible that a fluke could happen, but it would not be intentional.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭
    edited January 16, 2021 2:47PM

    You seem to be intentional in Your diversion of the question...as You have demonstrated in the past...

    Again...the question is simple...and I'll make it more specific:

    What if You add a coin that no other collection has...and that coin completes the Set?

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JonJet said:
    You seem to be intentional in Your diversion of the question...as You have demonstrated in the past...

    Again...the question is simple...and I'll make it more specific:

    What if You add a coin that no other collection has...and that coin completes the Set?

    Is it a coin that everyone has had a chance to see is missing from their set prior to the end of the annual cutoff?

    Or, is it a coin you recently requested to be added as a certificate that should included in a set in a new year? Because until the annual cutoff, who gets them first is really, ultimately, irrelevant.

    Until the coins are actually required at the end of the annual cutoff, who adds them first during the year does not matter at all.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    The question has nothing to do with Annual Awards or the cutoff date...and I've not mentioned either one of those in the question...the dates are irrelevant to the answer

    What if You add a coin that no other collection has...and that coin completes the Set?

    After it is added...You have the ONLY set with all Slots filled and all slots count towards ranking/rating

    What happens?

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2021 9:01AM

    @JonJet said:
    The question has nothing to do with Annual Awards or the cutoff date...and I've not mentioned either one of those in the question...the dates are irrelevant to the answer

    What if You add a coin that no other collection has...and that coin completes the Set?

    After it is added...You have the ONLY set with all Slots filled and all slots count towards ranking/rating

    What happens?

    You will move to the top of the list until someone else gets one and then you will be tied with the same ranking number.

    If the other person started their set before you did, then they will also move up higher in the position listing.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    So...on the day I add the last coin...and the Set is complete...

    I become the #1 Ranking? Because I got there before anyone else...correct?

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 17, 2021 12:43PM

    I think so, at least temporarily for the current finest list. Why not just try it and see if it works?

    However, the odds are that you will not go to the top of the All Time Finest list. You already know this and have mentioned before and I also agree there is a slight glitch in the Retired set programming..

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭
    edited January 17, 2021 5:24PM

    So why is that...if I have the only set that is complete...and the others collecting the set have fewer...

    I earn and belong at the top of the Rankings/Ratings

    But we know that will and has changed...because it is evident that Completion Date is not a tie-breaker at PCGS

    And that is the whole point behind most of My complaints

    It goes against the grain of every competition known to man...but benefits those who do not wish to compete

    As for Retired Sets...they need to be eliminated...those who retire should no longer compete for awards or ranked positions

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭✭

    My issue which pertains to retired modern sets, if they're retired, they do not add the current year coins. How are they still rated at the top when they're no longer complete ? Depending on when they're retired the set could be missing 2, 3 or more years and still rated above my set which is 100%.

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JonJet said:
    So why is that...if I have the only set that is complete...and the others collecting the set have fewer...

    I earn and belong at the top of the Rankings/Ratings

    But we know that will and has changed...because it is evident that Completion Date is not a tie-breaker at PCGS

    And that is the whole point behind most of My complaints

    It goes against the grain of every competition known to man...but benefits those who do not wish to compete

    As for Retired Sets...they need to be eliminated...those who retire should no longer compete for awards or ranked positions

    Again, in a modern set that has new coins added every year it would be unfair to long term collectors to have to "race" to get the new coin of the year. You state you buy your coins mostly, so you can get FDOI coins very fast. I buy my new coins from the mint usually and it takes me 2-3 months to get them graded.

    So is your collection better, or really the same? Were you really first to complete, or was I really first to complete it since I bought the new coin of the year in the 1st minute it was available from the mint?

    That is why there is a lag time prior to registry awards, and the start date for the set comes into play according to the rules.

    The retired sets are very important to classic collectors and to see who had the best sets of all time. These are not the sets of 70 moderns that anyone can buy, but major impressive collections to admire from the past.

    However if the registry sets still have new coins being added every year, there currently is a problem because the completion percentage of a retired set does not always drop like it should, when they are actually missing coins. This needs to be corrected as @Tom147 has mentioned.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a perfect example of the Retired set problem. The first 4 All time retired sets say 100% but if you click on them you see they really are 60-70% complete. Only Erasmus actually has 100% of the coins now, and so he should be at the top of the list. This is a very simple programming fix, to just update their completion even if retired and then see who is on top.

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/half-dollars/kennedy-half-dollars-specialty-sets/kennedy-half-dollars-basic-silver-set-proof-1964-1992-present/2845

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭✭

    Goldminers.
    That found the perfect example. If I had the 14 in gold, my set would also be in the 70.10 range, but wouldn't be able to break into those top sets beings they're retired. Yet I have the 16 thru 20 in Pr70DCAM.

  • JonJetJonJet Posts: 100 ✭✭

    @Tom147 said:
    Goldminers.
    That found the perfect example. If I had the 14 in gold, my set would also be in the 70.10 range, but wouldn't be able to break into those top sets beings they're retired. Yet I have the 16 thru 20 in Pr70DCAM.

    Same here Tom...the 2014 Gold is holding up completion of several of My Proof Sets...

    The kicker is...that coin was NEVER a part of a US Mint Proof Set...so it doesn't even belong in a set outside the Kennedy collection

    I have argued this with PCGS to no avail...they insist their "experts" have determined it belongs

  • GoldminersGoldminers Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tried to argue that 2014 Kennedy gold 3/4 ounce was more like a commemorative, to no avail either. I have several PR69's first strikes available for sale if you are interested, but I had terrible luck with 70's when I sent mine in for grading.

    And congratulations @JonJet on your 100th post.

    National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/195526

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭✭

    I considered purchasing a PR69, decided I would never be happy until I bought a PR70. Practicing patience. Has nothing to do with Registry, a 69 just wouldn't fit in with my PR70's.

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