Strange bagel found roll searching. PBD? machine doubling?

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ambro51
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This morning I was roll searching bagels and came across one which j think Might be a Bakery Error. I’ve been roll searching bagels for a long time and never seen one like this....I’ve done some Google research and can’t find Another bagel with these strange “Swirl” markings on the obverse. I’ve also looked through Heritage Auction Archives dating back to their beginning and Cannot find a record of a “Swirl Obverse Diebreak” bagel being sold. •••••So question is, should I submit this as a Variety, or just eat it?

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  • TurtleCat
    TurtleCat Posts: 4,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It is a bakery error. It's missing a lot of toppings. At least it should have sesame seeds. Looks like some post baking damage, though. You can tell by the up-raised crust that it was affected after baking. Probably a wash. I'd say not worth sending it in unless you really believe in it.

  • ShaunBC5
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    Either way, put it in a bag and save it. Something neat to show the grandkids.

  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Common bakery error, happens when the knife is loose in the automatic cutting machine no premium added.

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  • MsMorrisine
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    I vote baking process

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  • ctf_error_coins
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    Incomplete clip error

  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I checked the curve radius, and that seems th be the same, except one part is different, and Not the same, but different.

  • messydesk
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    Tilted partial collar.

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  • 1630Boston
    1630Boston Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ambro51
    Being an expert on bagel errors I offer the following.

    Yours is a common horizontally split planchet variety with little added value. Most likely caused by the excess yellow grease [butter] contained within.

    Over the years I have collected many 'thin' planchet varieties that command a sizable premium.
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  • ShaunBC5
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    forgot to mention: AT. It looks like it was put in the oven.

  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yup. The bagel, as seen, was toasted, also,, evident on the photo, had cream cheese. (The overall condition of the bagel has changed considerably recently)

  • Tom147
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    Don't think it's MS. My GTG is au58

  • Tom147
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    I think I see fingerprints on the obverse.

  • 1630Boston
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    You are going to need an oversized holder for that.

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  • FredWeinberg
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  • Catbert
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    PMD obviously.

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  • EXOJUNKIE
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    Put it on the Bay ... guaranteed someone will bid on it. :p

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  • 291fifth
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    It needs a slab and sticker to have any value. ;)

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  • ctf_error_coins
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    We're such an odd bunch, everyone sees something different :D

  • EXOJUNKIE
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    This reminds me of a funny story ... happened many years ago ... maybe 20 years ago or so when eBay was young and there weren’t a lot of error listings and most of us on there knew each other. There were a couple of sellers who kept cluttering up the error coin category with stupid coins (like we see on here sometimes, e.g. parking lot finds, vice jobs, acid, other obvious PMD, minor varieties with made up names, etc.). It wasn’t constructive and was probably hurting the legitimate sellers.

    So, a dealer acquaintance of mine (no longer in the biz) took a pack of Oreo cookies and made his own “errors” such as clips (Oreo with a bite out of it), cladding errors (an Oreo has three layers), off centers, misaligned dies, and whatever else he could imagine—you get the idea—and listed them for sale in the error coin category, with the intention of shaming the illegitimate sellers. It was pretty hilarious at the time.

    Well, eBay didn’t think it was funny because they banned him and he had to come back as an alt haha. I bought a lot of cool errors from that guy back in the day. 😜

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  • TurtleCat
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    Wait, that bagel has been doctored! It’s got some cream cheese to smooth out the rough crumb. Must be trying to get it into a better tasting holder.

  • pocketpiececommems
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    Ocean sea shell bagel 🥯

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  • CalifornianKing
    CalifornianKing Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭✭
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    Sorry, detail grade due to being holed...

  • messydesk
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    @ambro51 said:
    Yup. The bagel, as seen, was toasted, also,, evident on the photo, had cream cheese. (The overall condition of the bagel has changed considerably recently)

    So, environmental damage and altered surfaces, too.

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  • JBK
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    Struck thru?

    If it's Parking Lot Damage I wouldn't eat it. :*

  • SaorAlba
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    That is just the common plain bagel type, errors in Blueberry are the rarest and no errors have been reported in the seasonal Cranberry bagels yet.

  • TurtleCat
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    I also suspect some artificial browning. But I think it’s market acceptable.

  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well.....as suggested, I submitted it and it is presently internally being graded. I expect the bagel will be back in the morning. I’ll post pictures and perhaps we can do a “GTG”!

  • IkesT
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    @ambro51 said:
    Well.....as suggested, I submitted it and it is presently internally being graded. I expect the bagel will be back in the morning. I’ll post pictures and perhaps we can do a “GTG”!

    PU70 - don't need to see it!!! :#

  • Coinscratch
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    Isn't that a Chinese coin? They recently found a similar one on Oak Island.

  • TurtleCat
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    @ambro51 said:
    Well.....as suggested, I submitted it and it is presently internally being graded. I expect the bagel will be back in the morning. I’ll post pictures and perhaps we can do a “GTG”!

    I suspect it’ll be bagged as altered.

  • DBSTrader2
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    Shame it's just a plain bagel & not an "everything bagel" - - THOSE are the rarest & command the highest prices!

  • bolivarshagnasty
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    @ambro51 said:
    Well.....as suggested, I submitted it and it is presently internally being graded. I expect the bagel will be back in the morning. I’ll post pictures and perhaps we can do a “GTG”!

    My preliminary guess is a POS1.

  • Coinscratch
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    I like them better with raspberry toning.

  • johnny9434
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    To new for a cac submission

  • ambro51
    ambro51 Posts: 14,471 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 14, 2020 9:04PM
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    **Thank You One and All, I hope you enjoyed the Thread :) **. It was a great laugh :D

  • philographer
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    I prefer pre-1965 bagels. These newer ones with the different layers inside are just not the same...

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  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    Reminds me of the arcade game, Pac-man dot gobbler.

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  • lkeigwin
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    I think I see Virgin Mary and Baby Jesus.
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  • Hydrant
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    edited December 14, 2020 11:04PM
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    One more down.

  • RedStorm
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    Overstrike error with a donut die...

    Mmm...donuts!

  • Namvet69
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    If you squint and tilt your head to the left, it kinda looks like a smiley face. I loves me a pumpernickel with cc and lox. Merry merry. Peace Roy

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  • ricko
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    :D Good laughs on this one....I think I will have one this morning... with Jalapeno cream cheese... Cheers, RickO

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