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Eisenhower 1971-S Type 1 reverse proof
Nickels_rule
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"1971-S Silver Type 1 REV PR "
Is this what the PCGS label should read? Or what is the correct labeling?
Thank You
edit: OK, if I read the information correctly at the PCGS site, it's a moot point......beyond moon money.
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The documentation on this coin is unnecessarily confusing, or at least it was for me, for the longest time. If I follow correctly, the 71 Proof Ikes used an updated reverse die, noticeable on the earth-globe. It's the same "Type 1 vs Type 2" design of the '72-P. The Type 1 Reverse is essentially just an earlier coin (As opposed to the "Reverse Proof" label we see on a lot of modern coin designs)
The actual label reads "Type 1 Reverse" on its own line, "Silver" on the line below.
I think what you are referring to is the 1971-s type I proof which features the reverse that was used on the 40% silver uncirculated coins. That reverse is different. Take a good look at the Eagle's breast feathers and the wings. There is a significant difference in the appearance. The 71-s type I proof is very rare and there are likely around 10-12 currently known. It is rarely offered for sale or auction. There should be reference to the Type I reverse on the label.
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Thank You both for your comments, I really appreciate it. That does clear it up for me. I see the first 4 or 5 sets of "EISENHOWER DOLLARS WITH MAJOR VARIETIES, CIRCULATION STRIKES AND PROOF (1971-1978)" at PCGS are listed as 100% complete, so they must have this coin, wow. I'll settle for 34 out of 35 and call it done!
Yeah - there are reports and stories of a coin out there that, if memory serves, had a business strike obverse and proof strike reverse, or something like that. A one-of-one error, prototype, mule, something. For the longest time I suspected this slot represented "that" coin, and really hadn't found anything concrete to verify anything. Turns out it's just the design variety, which, in theory at least, should be a bit easier to secure (well, obviously, I guess, since two of us have now been able to finally. My suspicion is that there's probably a few more of 'em out there that just haven't been found yet, and the people who have 'em hanging out in their private collections have absolutely no idea what they've got...
It's made confusing so that the gatekeepers can let "club" members in while keeping others out. They build a fancy office and give THEMSELVES fancy titles. Spoke to someone from the auction house and they won't even back up their claims that "the misshapen Earth defines this variety". It's all a great con job and just another one of the clubs many illusions
The illusion is how you see your own run-of-the-mill, common coin:
For those that may have missed the original thread, this is the source of Camh61's so-called grievance:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1110558/does-anyone-know-exactly-what-qualifies-a-1971s-ike-silver-proof-69-for-the-rare-type-1-reverse#latest
I am not sure how you made that, is it a .gif? What would be nice is a typical silver proof from 71-S, 72-S and 73-S with same angle and lighting of the earth strolling through the 3 types of reverses. For some people, picking up variety differences is sometimes difficult. Especially when they are looking for the trees rather than the forest.
Nice idea; I'm sure there are people who would be helped by that. In this case, several people already tried to help in his original thread; the more we tried, the more it appeared to trigger his bad behavior. Rather than accepting our help, he made accusations against us, the Forum, the numismatic community, etc. I'm not looking to engage with him further, but rather to give others a heads up, now that he is intruding into other threads with his accusations.
There is no club… there are no fancy offices or fancy titles…there is no illusion… there is no con.
But there is coin that so happens to be very rare.
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i have been slowly working on this set, some of the coins dont seem to exist or are way beyond my reach. Fool that i am i thought this would be a easy and fun set to do.
I've been hanging on to this one for a bit. I will take it out of its PCGS box and delve into Google looking for additional information, usually ending being a bit more confused than I started out.
Perhaps someone on this thread could help out?
I am seeking information on what to look for on this Ike and maybe if it is scarce or not.
Thanks.
peacockcoins
The Ike group has a ton of information, if you haven't seen that page yet -- I'm not sure if they'll allow the direct link to work or not (*usually gotta hit the "I agree" on their front page before going anywhere) so if they bounce you "to the top", hover over "DIVa Attribution, then 1971, then click 1971-S Silver Proof - your FS-103 is the first on the list, which will be this page:
https://www.ikegroup.info/DIVA listings/1971 S Proof/1S1-301.pdf
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Thanks.
It doesn't appear to be that significant.
Oh, well. I thought I had something...
peacockcoins
Hi Braddick - the DDO FS-103 is unfortunately commonly misattributed. The problem is that there are 3 or 4 other 1971-S DDO's that that are not the FS-103 that PCGS commonly attributes as the FS-103. The mint mark position on yours looks promising for the real FS-103, but I would need to see a clear shot of the doubling on "IN GOD WE TRUST" to confirm whether it is or not. Do you happen to have a USB microscope? These are available for $20-$30 on Amazon and are great for taking clear photos of these kinds of details.
To answer the question of scarcity, the real FS-103 is a lot scarcer than people think because the population is so inflated with misattributed coins.
peacockcoins
@Braddick Congratulations, you have the real DDO FS-103, which is a significant find in my book. A few of the key features are that a) there is a larger spread to the doubling than the other similar 1971-S varieties b) the doubling isn't straight south, it's actually southeast (look at the doubling on "TR" in "TRUST" for example) and c) the mint mark is placed unusually close to Eisenhower's bust (if you look at the serif on the "S" mint mark itself, the width of that serif is about how close the mint mark is). Another fun feature of the FS-103 is that the coin is also a doubled die reverse, with doubling on the reverse stars and notching in the letters of "AMERICA".
Thanks!
I went from inquisitive to downtrodden to elated within this thread.
Thanks for the additional info.
Too bad this one is a bit beat up though...
peacockcoins
meh i like it
it could sit in my collection with zero fooks given to anyone who wanted to comment on it not being higher or lower quality