Eisenhower 1971-S Type 1 reverse proof

Nickels_rule

"1971-S Silver Type 1 REV PR "

Is this what the PCGS label should read? Or what is the correct labeling?
Thank You

edit: OK, if I read the information correctly at the PCGS site, it's a moot point......beyond moon money.

oldsmagnet

The documentation on this coin is unnecessarily confusing, or at least it was for me, for the longest time. If I follow correctly, the 71 Proof Ikes used an updated reverse die, noticeable on the earth-globe. It's the same "Type 1 vs Type 2" design of the '72-P. The Type 1 Reverse is essentially just an earlier coin (As opposed to the "Reverse Proof" label we see on a lot of modern coin designs)

The actual label reads "Type 1 Reverse" on its own line, "Silver" on the line below.

coinkat

I think what you are referring to is the 1971-s type I proof which features the reverse that was used on the 40% silver uncirculated coins. That reverse is different. Take a good look at the Eagle's breast feathers and the wings. There is a significant difference in the appearance. The 71-s type I proof is very rare and there are likely around 10-12 currently known. It is rarely offered for sale or auction. There should be reference to the Type I reverse on the label.

Nickels_rule

@oldsmagnet said:
The documentation on this coin is unnecessarily confusing, or at least it was for me, for the longest time. If I follow correctly, the 71 Proof Ikes used an updated reverse die, noticeable on the earth-globe. It's the same "Type 1 vs Type 2" design of the '72-P. The Type 1 Reverse is essentially just an earlier coin (As opposed to the "Reverse Proof" label we see on a lot of modern coin designs)

The actual label reads "Type 1 Reverse" on its own line, "Silver" on the line below.

@coinkat said:
I think what you are referring to is the 1971-s type I proof which features the reverse that was used on the 40% silver uncirculated coins. That reverse is different. Take a good look at the Eagle's breast feathers and the wings. There is a significant difference in the appearance. The 71-s type I proof is very rare and there are likely around 10-12 currently known. It is rarely offered for sale or auction. There should be reference to the Type I reverse on the label.

Thank You both for your comments, I really appreciate it. That does clear it up for me. I see the first 4 or 5 sets of "EISENHOWER DOLLARS WITH MAJOR VARIETIES, CIRCULATION STRIKES AND PROOF (1971-1978)" at PCGS are listed as 100% complete, so they must have this coin, wow. I'll settle for 34 out of 35 and call it done!

oldsmagnet

Yeah - there are reports and stories of a coin out there that, if memory serves, had a business strike obverse and proof strike reverse, or something like that. A one-of-one error, prototype, mule, something. For the longest time I suspected this slot represented "that" coin, and really hadn't found anything concrete to verify anything. Turns out it's just the design variety, which, in theory at least, should be a bit easier to secure (well, obviously, I guess, since two of us have now been able to finally. My suspicion is that there's probably a few more of 'em out there that just haven't been found yet, and the people who have 'em hanging out in their private collections have absolutely no idea what they've got...

Camh61

It's made confusing so that the gatekeepers can let "club" members in while keeping others out. They build a fancy office and give THEMSELVES fancy titles. Spoke to someone from the auction house and they won't even back up their claims that "the misshapen Earth defines this variety". It's all a great con job and just another one of the clubs many illusions

IkesT

@Camh61 said:
It's made confusing so that the gatekeepers can let "club" members in while keeping others out. They build a fancy office and give THEMSELVES fancy titles. Spoke to someone from the auction house and they won't even back up their claims that "the misshapen Earth defines this variety". It's all a great con job and just another one of the clubs many illusions

The illusion is how you see your own run-of-the-mill, common coin:

For those that may have missed the original thread, this is the source of Camh61's so-called grievance:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1110558/does-anyone-know-exactly-what-qualifies-a-1971s-ike-silver-proof-69-for-the-rare-type-1-reverse#latest

davewesen

I am not sure how you made that, is it a .gif? What would be nice is a typical silver proof from 71-S, 72-S and 73-S with same angle and lighting of the earth strolling through the 3 types of reverses. For some people, picking up variety differences is sometimes difficult. Especially when they are looking for the trees rather than the forest.

IkesT

@davewesen said:
I am not sure how you made that, is it a .gif? What would be nice is a typical silver proof from 71-S, 72-S and 73-S with same angle and lighting of the earth strolling through the 3 types of reverses.

Nice idea; I'm sure there are people who would be helped by that. In this case, several people already tried to help in his original thread; the more we tried, the more it appeared to trigger his bad behavior. Rather than accepting our help, he made accusations against us, the Forum, the numismatic community, etc. I'm not looking to engage with him further, but rather to give others a heads up, now that he is intruding into other threads with his accusations.

coinkat

There is no club… there are no fancy offices or fancy titles…there is no illusion… there is no con.

But there is coin that so happens to be very rare.