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1887/6 3 Proof 3 cent nickel varieties

Looking for some help on clarification of this coin's variety. Its my understanding that all proof coins this year, have the overdate and the overdate is either a strong or weak. However, many PGCS coins are graded with just the 1887/6 overdate and no weak or strong attribute on the label. The PCGS registry set show 3 coins for this year 1887/6, 1887/6 weak, 1887/6 strong. Am I correct in assuming that the 1887/6 graded coins are in reality either a weak or strong variety, they simply just don't have the attribute added to the label? Any help is appreciated. Thanks

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    1946Hamm1946Hamm Posts: 816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a couple scans of my example. PCGS 65 Strong

    Have a good day, Gary

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 9, 2020 1:59AM

    Yes, all proof and business strikes of the 1887 3CN have an 1887 / 1886 overdate.
    Two obverse dies were used, originally dated 1886 but then punched 1887 after varying efforts to efface the 1886.
    Both dies were used for proofs.
    You can read all about it on p.427 of Alan Gifford's book, which is rare, but available free on the Newman Numismatic Portal:

    https://archive.org/details/guideusthreecent2003gifford/page/n428/mode/1up


    First die BS EDS - weak.


    First die PR and BS LDS - weaker.


    Second die (proof only) - strong.


    The comparison photo on PCGS CoinFacts shows the same thing.
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1887-6-3cn/3783

    You can attribute the P02 from the date position - the 1 is closer to the neck than the dentils.
    On the P01 and B01, the 1 is equidistant from the neck and dentils.
    This is easy to see in the comparison photo above.

    Looking at all the images on PCGS CoinFacts:

    1. All the "1887/(6)" are weak (B01 and P01).
      https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1887-6-3cn/3783

    2. All the "1887/6 3CN Strong Overdate (Proof)" are as expected strong (P02).
      https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1887-6-3cn-strong-overdate/3784

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,832 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I remember “discovering” the business strike overdate while I was at ANACS and trying to get people to care and having no luck at all because it was not a Redbook variety.

    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wxcloud1.... Welcome aboard.... I believe the information above will help... though why they are not attributed on the label is a question you must ask our host. Cheers, RickO

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    Thank you everyone for the info. I greatly appreciate the responses.

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