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Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 25, 2020 4:24PM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

I had fun sharing my experience with a submission about a year and a half ago. You can review that thread here.

I just put in another 10 coin submission in yesterday, which reflects most of my activity since that last submission. A couple observations this go around:

  • The PDF form was WAY easier to fill out. I'm not exactly sure when this change happened but it seemed a lot easier (and didn't ask for the PSG number!).
  • I think I figured registered mail in terms of packaging, tape, filling form out. My time spent running around was much shorter this time.

Here are the coins with a hodge podge of photos. Any feedback welcome:
1. 1625 Bavarian Taler. Raw. Auction purchase. Nice delicate patina in hand. Probably dipped at some point and then retoning a little. Hoping for AU55-62

  1. 1637 Wildman Taler. Raw purchase from Kunker via MA-Shops. Mostly original. Hoping for VF-XF.

  2. 1616 Wildman Taler. Raw. Auction purchase. Dipped but still crusty. I like the Wildman portrait on this one. Hoping for XF-AU.

  3. 1603 Teutonic Order Taler. NGC 53. Purchased from @TPRC. The holder had many fine lines I could not buff out, and the coin is really beautiful (but hard to see with the holder). So I cracked it out and am submitting raw. Excited for the TrueView in time. I suspect that the coin is more 45-50, but got a bump from NGC given the originality and color. Hoping for AU50 on this one.

  4. 1596 "Lie Taler" in NGC XF45, purchased from HA. Cracked out and submitting raw. Based on quality of manufacture I think this one could go higher at PCGS.

  5. 1736 Austrian Taler. Raw, auction purchase. The observe has been cleaned slightly - jeweler's cloth or something similar. Some retoning. But the reverse is untouched and uncirculated, really immaculate. I hope this straight grades.

  6. 1691 Salzburg 3 Kreuzer. Raw, auction purchase. This is a small coin, toned, lots of luster. I think it is MS but curious what it will go. Not a good picture:

  7. 1696 Hungary 3 Kreuzer. Raw, auction purchase. Not a rare coin but really a jewel. Hoping for MS64.

  8. 1675 12 mariengroschen. Purchased via MA-shops. Dipped at one point, some retoning, but very nicely detailed. Hoping it straight grades MS.

  9. 1921 Thale Am Harz 50 pfennig. I thought this modern wildman coin was kinda cool. About the size of a quarter and I think zinc (made in post WWI Germany), hard to assess grade, could see 58-63.

My current "Box of 20"

Comments

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice group of wildmen. Let us know how long it takes to grade them. From what I hear World coins are taking a long time.


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    Don
  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Amazing coins.

  • Wonderful coins! I have a bunch I’ve been wanting to send off. Hope to get around to it in 2021!

  • Very nice!!

  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan - I will update this thread when the grades and TVs come in. I also saw some recent threads about extra long turn around times... Seems to be the theme for the year. Had hoped to include another coin coming from Germany - but taking absolutely FOREVER to get here.

    My current "Box of 20"

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice, good luck on the submission!

    Is your 1691 3 Kreuzer bent from the roller press? Here is my 1690 which is extremely bent as struck which makes me love it that much more.

  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 2,869 ✭✭✭✭

    A wonderful submission of German States material! I'm curious about #5 - I think it has a shot at AU-50 or maybe even an AU-55 given grades I have seen on other talers in this "set". Does it lose the Morris Collection pedigree? I am not familiar with that collection so I'm not sure that is a concern or not.
    I will go out on a limb and say that you have all straight grades. I will look forward to an update on the results. I hope you see good results!

  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilLynott - I knew someone had a similar Salzburg 3 Kreuzer - but couldn't remember who! My coin is not flat like a modern coin but it doesn't have the classic roller press bend (like the 1691 Hungary coin I also posted. Nice coin! Again, either Salzburg made a ton of coins, or they were saved in some quantity.

    @worldcoinguy - thanks for the thoughts! I did not elect to pursue the Morris pedigree, but I admit that is out of ignorance as to whether it is a good pedigree or not.

    My current "Box of 20"

  • PhilLynottPhilLynott Posts: 727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13 said:
    @PhilLynott - I knew someone had a similar Salzburg 3 Kreuzer - but couldn't remember who! My coin is not flat like a modern coin but it doesn't have the classic roller press bend (like the 1691 Hungary coin I also posted. Nice coin! Again, either Salzburg made a ton of coins, or they were saved in some quantity.

    @worldcoinguy - thanks for the thoughts! I did not elect to pursue the Morris pedigree, but I admit that is out of ignorance as to whether it is a good pedigree or not.

    Yep tons of amazing high grade examples I think @Rexford has a 3K in PCGS 67 if I'm not mistaken

  • RexfordRexford Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PhilLynott said:

    @Bob13 said:
    @PhilLynott - I knew someone had a similar Salzburg 3 Kreuzer - but couldn't remember who! My coin is not flat like a modern coin but it doesn't have the classic roller press bend (like the 1691 Hungary coin I also posted. Nice coin! Again, either Salzburg made a ton of coins, or they were saved in some quantity.

    @worldcoinguy - thanks for the thoughts! I did not elect to pursue the Morris pedigree, but I admit that is out of ignorance as to whether it is a good pedigree or not.

    Yep tons of amazing high grade examples I think @Rexford has a 3K in PCGS 67 if I'm not mistaken

    Yep, good memory. It was a 1681 :)

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you cracked out #5 did you look at the edge of the coin? It might just be the way minted, but it looks like a mount might have been removed to me. Hope I am wrong.


    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


    Don
  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan - I know the area you are referring to and I don’t think so. Just think how made.

    Coins arrived at PCGS!

    My current "Box of 20"

  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭

    Very nice submission, Bob13! Those are real beauties!

  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13 : Superb coins! You sure have a lot more guts than I do with the cracks and submitting raw pieces. :scream:

    :heart: the coins!

    :+1:

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  • brg5658brg5658 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13 said:
    10. 1921 Thale Am Harz 50 pfennig. I thought this modern wildman coin was kinda cool. About the size of a quarter and I think zinc (made in post WWI Germany), hard to assess grade, could see 58-63.

    The Thale am Harz pieces are difficult ones! There is also a really cool one with a cat on it, and yet another with a mounted rider on horseback. The Thale am Harz pieces are among the best Notgeld coin designs IMO. :+1:

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  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My registered mail package arrived within a couple days, but it took 2 weeks to receive the coins in the PCGS system. And then, Yikes - I got this email:
    "Your submission number XXXXXXXX (PCGS order number YYYYYYYYY) has been flagged with a problem. We will need specific information from you before we can continue processing this order."

    Guess I will call on Monday. But, service seems SLOW at the current time...

    My current "Box of 20"

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here’s hoping it’s easy to fix!

    Re: grading world coins, I have cracked 2 NGC 45s that graded 53 and 55 at Pcgs (btw I think the Pcgs grades were totally warranted). But this would be pretty unheard of in any US series. Have you guys noticed different trends or standards when grading world coins at the tpgs?

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob13 said:
    My registered mail package arrived within a couple days, but it took 2 weeks to receive the coins in the PCGS system. And then, Yikes - I got this email:
    "Your submission number XXXXXXXX (PCGS order number YYYYYYYYY) has been flagged with a problem. We will need specific information from you before we can continue processing this order."

    Guess I will call on Monday. But, service seems SLOW at the current time...

    Forget to sign?


    DPOTD-3
    'Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery'

    CU #3245 B.N.A. #428


    Don
  • Bob13Bob13 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Turns out that I had 10 coins, was going to use my voucher for 8, and then I could either do Economy or regular for the other 2 coins.

    I called multiple times, never got through to anyone. I did leave a callback once and they did call back, but I missed the call. Thankfully, PCGS was responsive over email and we got the issue sorted.

    My coins were logged in 12/12, and were grading but moved today to ENCAPSULATION. So some progress!

    My current "Box of 20"

  • StellaStella Posts: 513 ✭✭✭

    Nice Wildmen. Good luck with your results!

    Coin collector since childhood and New York Numismatist at Heritage Auctions.
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