Dime roll searching. New find! 2020d Die clash? or something else? Posted in later posts

joeykoins

Hey guy's, while searching through rolls of Roosevelts, I came across this odd one. Check it out, it looks to have an appearance of "diamonds"? Lol. Believe me, there is no debris on this dime. It seems to be the effect from the toning, as well as, tiny circles on the coin itself. They shine like a diamond at the perfect angles. Some of my pics show the tiny circles pretty clear. What in the world are these? Has anyone ever seen such things on any coin? Just the obverse has them, not the reverse. Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

Here is the reverse. Nothing! Just the obverse?

MedalCollector

Glitter? Or you’ve discovered the new Princess Roosevelt variety.

JBK

Glitter. Kid's project.

joeykoins

Ok guy's, I just went to soak in acetone. If it appears to be glitter, will the acetone remove it?

emeraldATV

Joey, Could be carbon.
Now put down the 7up and find something more conclusive, Bubba.

airplanenut

Looks like a rough in the rough to me

mannie gray

@joeykoins said:
Ok guy's, I just went to soak in acetone. If it appears to be glitter, will the acetone remove it?

Yes.

joeykoins

Ok. After acetone. Wax? Circles remained but colors diminished?

joeykoins

another Dime in roll searching!
2016d

joeykoins

Toned Reeds?

IkesT

@joeykoins said:

A diamond in the rug?

JBK

I have no idea whst is supposed to be special about the 2016D, but as for the first coin...

Maybe droplets of spray paint? Glitter hair spray? Who knows. Whatever it is, it is PMD.

cameonut2011

I'd highly consider washing my hands after touching it if I were you. Not all of it looks like glitter to me.

joeykoins

Copper rims?

joeykoins

@JBK said:
I have no idea whst is supposed to be special about the 2016D,

Slight cameo? Esp the reverse.

Jimnight

Nice pics!

Oldhoopster

@joeykoins said:
Ok. After acetone. Wax? Circles remained but colors diminished?

It's some type of glitter, as others have said. Remember, acetone doesn't dissolve everything, but it does look like it removed the color from the glitter. Try Xylene.

If you still don't think it's debris, where do think this could occur during the minting process? Whenever you see something unusual on a coin, the first thing you should ask is, "How could this occur during the minting process", not "I can't explain how this could be PMD, so it must be an error"

ricko

The first dime has a contaminant substance on the surface... an extended soak in acetone should remove the hexagonal deposits. Nothing remarkable about the rest... copper on the rim is typical, in various amounts - it is the inner core exposed. Cheers, RickO

Oldhoopster

RE: copper rims, I can't see them in your pic, but it sounds like you have the following:

As the blank is punched from the sheet, the soft copper core can smear, some more than others (I believe this has to with the condition of the punches, but don't quote me). In some cases, the smearing can cover the CuNi layer and even be part of small fins that sometimes are a remnant of the punching/tearing of the blanking process. These small fins can get folded over when run through the upset mill and/or striking. If that fin has smeared copper, you'll see it on the rim. You usually only see them on new coins as the folded over metal is thin and quickly wears.

Interesting anomaly, but no extra value

291fifth

None of the coins you are showing have anything interesting or anything that is likely to be of an value over face. I'm suspecting that your recent roll searching hasn't turned up much of interest.

joeykoins

Trying to find out which tribe is he from?

BuffaloIronTail

Gary Glitter Coin???

Pete

joeykoins

Here is a closer look at that 2020d Dime. The copper rim one.

joeykoins

Check this one out guys! Notice the reverse. Right and left of the the top portion of the torch. Found two of these!
Are these Die Clashes?

airplanenut

A clash should show the design from the opposite side of the coin. Opposite the top of the torch on a dime is a cheek with almost no details. I don't see where on the obverse those lines would come from.

IkesT

Those are die scrapes, created when the feeder finger scrapes against the die.

http://www.error-ref.com/die-scrapes/

joeykoins

Thanks guy's. Yeah, you're right. Nothing on the obverse just the reverse. No value, huh? Just cool? Lol.
How 'bout this coin previously posted? Possible off metal?

JBK

Off metal? What metal are you suggesting? Are the clad layers visible on the edge?

Oldhoopster

The 79D is just environmental damage. It was in contact with something that stained the obverse. Not an error

joeykoins

@JBK said:
Off metal? What metal are you suggesting? Are the clad layers visible on the edge?

Yes. Thank you!

joeykoins

@IkesT said:
Those are die scrapes, created when the feeder finger scrapes against the die.

It looks so dramatic and distinctive. Instead of subtle and/or less pronounced. I think these are very interesting. Thanks for the info. As always. Very appreciated.

joeykoins

@airplanenut said:
A clash should show the design from the opposite side of the coin. Opposite the top of the torch on a dime is a cheek with almost no details. I don't see where on the obverse those lines would come from.

Thank you, my friend. Very educational on what true "die clashes " really are.

joeykoins

@Oldhoopster said:
The 79D is just environmental damage. It was in contact with something that stained the obverse. Not an error

Thanks

joeykoins

@ricko said:
The first dime has a contaminant substance on the surface... an extended soak in acetone should remove the hexagonal deposits. Nothing remarkable about the rest... copper on the rim is typical, in various amounts - it is the inner core exposed. Cheers, RickO

Thanks RickO.

airplanenut

@joeykoins said:

@airplanenut said:
A clash should show the design from the opposite side of the coin. Opposite the top of the torch on a dime is a cheek with almost no details. I don't see where on the obverse those lines would come from.

Thank you, my friend. Very educational on what true "die clashes " really are.

Here's my most illustrative example (I bought it because of how over the top it is). Note that all the clashes are mirrors of the design on the opposite side of the coin (accounting for the rotation of the coin--the top of one side is the bottom of the other)

IkesT

@joeykoins said:

@IkesT said:
Those are die scrapes, created when the feeder finger scrapes against the die.

It looks so dramatic and distinctive. Instead of subtle and/or less pronounced. I think these are very interesting. Thanks for the info. As always. Very appreciated.

Yes, they are interesting - I always keep them when I find them!

cmerlo1

Here's a heavily clashed 1979-D SBA I acquired and sold in 2011. You can actually see the earth from the reverse over SBA's shoulder, next to the mintmark, and an outline of the top of the eagle's head and wing on her neck (not sure how that happened, other than the dies coming together hard). On the reverse, you can see SBA's full profile to the right of the eagle, along with other parts of the obverse. ANACS even gave it a name.

ricko

@joeykoins .... That is an excellent specimen of clashed dies....Cheers, RickO

joeykoins

Alright guys. Concerning these "finger feeder scrapes", I get it what these are and why it happens. But, finding 12 more? Is this unusual or no? 14 total! All in the same area of the reverse. Wondering? Just how many are there? Could I have the total of these or many, many more? Esp. Struck in the same location on the coins. Thanks guy's

IkesT

@joeykoins said:
Alright guys. Concerning these "finger feeder scrapes", I get it what these are and why it happens. But, finding 12 more? Is this unusual or no? 14 total! All in the same area of the reverse. Wondering? Just how many are there? Could I have the total of these or many, many more? Esp. Struck in the same location on the coins. Thanks guy's

There could be hundreds of thousands more if the die scrapes happened early in the life of the die - or very few if they happened shortly before the die was taken out of service.

After a group of coins is made by a particular die pair, they tend to ship out together and get rolled up together, so you do tend to find die varieties grouping together in original BU rolls. That's not to say that they will be totally unmixed with other coins, but you'll find them together much more often in rolls than you would in random change. If it's a rare doubled die, for example, you can really score big if you get the right roll!

As for your die scrape dimes, that's neat that you got 14 of them!