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Has this coin been double struck?

TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,967 ✭✭✭✭✭

    pic of obverse?

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2020 3:33PM

    I saw it too. Didn't know what to make of it. The obverse is unremarkable.

    I thought it could be an extreme example of strike doubling with a loose rev die. I also wondered if it might be a fake but couldn't convince myself even though the reeding looks sort of funky.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    lower rev closeup

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,956 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2020 3:53PM

    Might just be my screen but the color looks weird. Are you sure it's real?

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    pic of obverse?

    Obverse is normal.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Might just be my screen but the color looks weird. Are you sure it's real?

    An excellent question.

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Might just be my screen but the color looks weird. Are you sure it's real?

    No, it's not mine.

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  • BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is double struck, look at the doubling in the dentils. Whether it is authentic is another question. I’m leaning towards real. In hand inspection would be necessary.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why isn't this coin authenticated ... Would be my question.

  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If double struck then why is the obverse not showing doubling. I do not like the looks of the dentils at 3 o'clock on the reverse.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,633 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Batman23 said:
    If double struck then why is the obverse not showing doubling. I do not like the looks of the dentils at 3 o'clock on the reverse.

    And around 10:30.

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Batman23 said:
    If double struck then why is the obverse not showing doubling. I do not like the looks of the dentils at 3 o'clock on the reverse.

    weakness in the dentils in an area is not unusual with trade dollars.
    I don't think this coin is struck twice, it looks like an extreme case of strike doubling to me*. That begs the question, why haven't more of these appeared before? A unique "error" should always raise suspicion. When I enlarge the images with the reeding visible, there appear to be a number of irregularities. A coin with EF/AU details should have very regular edge reeding.
    I hope the error experts will opine on this coin. * I am out of my comfort zone when speculating about the extremes of strike doubling, or double strikes.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with the above observations.

    I recall a Chinese fake Seated Liberty dollar that was sold periodically on ebay some years ago that had major doubling on just part of the text. This coin reminds me of that one.

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't know what's going on with it but I'm pretty sure it isn't double struck. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say it's counterfeit.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Double struck seems impossible since not all details are doubled.

    Maybe MD but also possibly counterfeit with a partially doubled die?

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess from the pics is a double struck fake. The surfaces and color have that look about them. But it could just be the pics I suppose.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the feedback. I did not know what to make of it, as it was only doubled in some areas of the reverse. Most likely a fake with partially doubled reverse die.

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the reverse is the hammer die and its a bit loose between strikes you can get this effect.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This could be a case of a shifted reverse die...or a fake coin... Yeah, pretty non-committal, I know... I lean towards fake, but cannot substantiate the conclusion. Cheers, RickO

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TennesseeDave said:
    Thanks for all the feedback. I did not know what to make of it, as it was only doubled in some areas of the reverse. Most likely a fake with partially doubled reverse die.

    This is possible if a false die was made by pressing a coin into a ceramic mold sloppily with only some doubling. After the ceramic set a steel hub could be cast against it, and that hub used to make a die.

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well maybe someone with some money to waste will buy it and they'll come here with better pics to show us. Lol

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