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Blakesley Effect on 1916-D Walker(Answered Thanks!)

headsplitter2headsplitter2 Posts: 463 ✭✭✭
edited September 20, 2020 9:01PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Just bought a Walker that said it was damaged, but I think it’s a Blakesley effect. What say you?




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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damaged. Hit on opposite sides simultaneously.

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  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    surely damage.

    Frank

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. Too little metal flow and too much flow. And at directly opposite points? Something to study. I like your theory.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s Rim damage- not close to the Blakesley effect

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  • headsplitter2headsplitter2 Posts: 463 ✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Damaged. Hit on opposite sides simultaneously.

    One side is flat but the other is round so "Hit on opposite sides simultaneously" doesn't work.

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    Death and Taxes" ~~ Ben Franklin
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  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No, no, no. For it to be Blakesley, there needs to be a clip or missing planchette material on the opposite side.

    That's the proverbial 'anvil' effect . . . . .

    Z

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who said that the two objects hitting the coin on opposite sides simultaneously were exactly the same?

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  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On second look...the flat spot above the eagle looks like it was caused a hammer? Either way I never heard of the Blakesly effect before now. So thanks for the thought provoking post, headsplitter.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like damage to me.... It appears the coin got jammed between to hard surfaces. Cheers, RickO

  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Hydrant said:
    On second look...the flat spot above the eagle looks like it was caused a hammer? Either way I never heard of the Blakesly effect before now. So thanks for the thought provoking post, headsplitter.

    Blakeley occurs when an incomplete planchette gets stamped. It could be a clipped planchette, shorn off, whatever. What causes this is the lack of support on the OPPOSITE side of the coin.

    Here is a Kennedy half that exhibits Blakesley . . . . . .

    The clip in front of Kennedy's nose causes an 'apparent' thickening of the rim on the opposite side. This will appear on both sides of the coin.

    Hope this helps.

    Z

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  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    Z

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a bad rim ding to me.

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,607 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not an expert on these but here's one I have that shows the effect pretty strong.

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks more like impact damage to me.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,774 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote damaged. If that was a clip it is so small that the BE would not be that severe.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a clip, no Blakesly effect. Pmd most likely. Peace Roy

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like PMD

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is damage that dates from very early in a heavily circulated coin's life.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Post Mint Damage.

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  • ZoidMeisterZoidMeister Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:
    Post Mint Damage.

    Love your signature . . .

    Z

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  • FranklinHalfAddictFranklinHalfAddict Posts: 674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nope. Damage.

  • headsplitter2headsplitter2 Posts: 463 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the answers. I didn't pay but $12.00 for it. Figured it was worth a shot.

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    Death and Taxes" ~~ Ben Franklin
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  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Who said that the two objects hitting the coin on opposite sides simultaneously were exactly the same?

    Coin resting on I-beam. Hammer hits coin, beam pushes back on coin from impact. Two damaged areas 180 degrees apart.

    thefinn
  • headsplitter2headsplitter2 Posts: 463 ✭✭✭

    @thefinn said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Who said that the two objects hitting the coin on opposite sides simultaneously were exactly the same?

    Coin resting on I-beam. Hammer hits coin, beam pushes back on coin from impact. Two damaged areas 180 degrees apart.

    Yeah I got it. Damaged

    "Only 2 things are certain
    Death and Taxes" ~~ Ben Franklin
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