Weird 1920 Buffalo Nickel several die clash & cud ?
mok13
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Hi everyone,
Still on few buffs here.
Sorry for the worn coins but they’re are the only buffalos I have...
I need help for this one. 1920
On obv and rev some anomalies.
Obv top of Indian head like a massive Retained cud ?
Rev die clash on 1st rear leg and very strong at UNUM ?
Henri, From the French Riviera with love
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At the risk of sounding like a cheesy commercial "I don't see it"
I do see the anomalies you are referring to (good pictures)... However, I cannot determine whether they are worn PMD or coin process related. Just too far gone at this point. Cheers, RickO
all I can ad is that it is in relief or bumps
Henri, From the French Riviera with love
The marks on the reverse are from a die clash.
Not sure about the obverse above his head.
The coin has been acid dated and is now an altered surfaces coin.
Yes that's too bad... i'm sure many acid treated could have identified without.... got a job lot of it
Henri, From the French Riviera with love
The clash mark at UNUM is a common site for them, but this one is exceptionally strong. As strong as that is, I can believe that the "bump" at the leg is a clash mark from the bridge of the Indian's nose. Don't recall ever seeing this clash mark here.
The rise at the top of the head is a stumper. Could be a retained cud, could be a lamination, could be something else.
Let us consider the possibility that the top of the head has nothing to do with the clash marks on the reverse. This might not be the obverse die that clashed with that reverse. That really strong clash mark at UNUM should have left a very clear clash mark, with lettering, below the Indian's jaw. There is nothing there, which suggests that the clashed obverse was replaced. The replacement obverse die might have been a used one that had been damaged in a previous usage and repaired somehow. I do not know.
TD
@CaptHenway thank you for your analysis !
Yes, top of the head I think it’s a thick retained cud.
For the clash I’ve never seen one so strong and as you say nothing one obverse ( I’ll scope again to be sure )
And I’ve searched hours trying to find the same clash on the leg...
What do you think I could do to understand what happened?
More / other pictures ?
Henri, From the French Riviera with love
Maybe Ron @koynekwest will have some clues as well
Interesting coin
Henri, From the French Riviera with love
I can't say for sure what is going on above the head so I won't speculate. There is a clash on the reverse but it's rotated more than most clashes are so it appears different than the typical clash.
Coins with that much circulation wear can appear to be what they are not.