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1837 CA AM 8 reales “....this coin comes simply awful.....worst of the entire series “.

bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 5, 2020 3:34PM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

So says RESPLANDORES !

Also states this date is very rare.

Thought you might like to know that 😊

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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2020 4:01PM

    Nice. I dont think ive ever seen an AU example of this coin.


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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2020 7:10PM

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    Nice. I dont thinknive ever seen an AU example of this coin. Highest graded at PCGS

    However there is one 61 example at NGC ...

    Also a NGC 55 ....which I may have purchased and crossed ....

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nicely done 👍


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    dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭

    congrats on the cross. need to be a hardcore collector of the series to appreciate that one. I feel the same about several of the OA dates.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    Talk to him about doing it?

    Latin American Collection

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 7, 2020 5:34AM

    @Boosibri said:

    @bidask said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    Talk to him about doing it?

    Perhaps !

    I would want to do that face to face sometime

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,777 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Terrfic example for the date. This coin illustrates my point in the other 8Rs thread.

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    'Terrfic example for the date. This coin illustrates my point in the other 8Rs thread.'

    thank you coinkat

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    I reread both author's foreward in REPPLADORES ( Mike Dunnigan and J.B. Parker )....those guys put "many years of research and handling" ,,,,,,of what went into their book before publishing.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @bidask said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    'Terrfic example for the date. This coin illustrates my point in the other 8Rs thread.'

    thank you coinkat

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    I reread both author's foreward in REPPLADORES ( Mike Dunnigan and J.B. Parker )....those guys put "many years of research and handling" ,,,,,,of what went into their book before publishing.

    And those years remain the foundation. Rarities and availability change. I’m good for a refresh.

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is a 1837 ca am 8 reales PCGS XF example on eBay now .

    WOW !

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    I give away money. I collect money.
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    realeswatcherrealeswatcher Posts: 363 ✭✭✭

    This date really IS horribly executed. Truthfully, given the luster present (even though probably dipped at some point), the eBay coin is probably AU53 or better technically, wear-wise... but what a dog, esp. the cap side.

    There are a variety of... best guesses/compromises with other graded examples.

    For example, NGC called this 35 - actually a rather presentable example, but it's frankly overgraded, even for NGC. By wear, I'm seeing a 25 or so... could be gradeflation or(/and?) grading on a curve due to pretty good eye appeal:

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/mexico/world-coins/mexico-republic-8-reales-1837-ca-am-vf35-ngc-/a/271817-37043.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

    PCGS called this example a 30:
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/mexico/world-coins/mexico-republic-8-reales-1837-ca-am-vf30-pcgs-/a/271941-40191.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

    This piece is certainly more poorly executed than the NGC35, but has MUCH less wear (look at the devices that ARE struck-up, plus hidden remaining luster beneath the thick original skin). It's technically a 45, maybe pushing 50, I'd say. Did they knowingly "net grade" it down... or did the typical poor strike and crusty tone simply fool the grader?

    bidask's example at the top is a quite nice specimen overall - though I don't think the person who graded the PCGS30 linked above would have called it a 55.

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    PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 19, 2021 11:24PM

    Looks like a keeper to me!!!

    Collecting interests: Coins from Latin American (2020-present)

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,943 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @Boosibri said:
    Why don’t you bankroll an update to Resplandores

    I think Mike Dunnigan is very capable but if he asked me too chip in on the cost I would do it !😎

    Count me in for $50!

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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    PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2021 12:02AM

    Yeah please no more than 75$ to 100$ and have enough copies made.

    Collecting interests: Coins from Latin American (2020-present)

    Sports: NFL & NHL

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 13,860 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @realeswatcher said:

    bidask's example at the top is a quite nice specimen overall - though I don't think the person who graded the PCGS30 linked above would have called it a 55.

    Hey maybe ...just maybe ....they would have called it uncirculated 61

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
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    PillarDollarCollectorPillarDollarCollector Posts: 4,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 20, 2021 11:41AM

    How long would it take to get such a book on shelves and ready to sell? Is there lots that needs to be updated? Are there many new varieties? And has rarity changed for many coins or just a few?

    Collecting interests: Coins from Latin American (2020-present)

    Sports: NFL & NHL

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