Guess the grade Brett need's to look at both I posted , Please post your opinion
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As mentioned in your other Jefferson nickel thread, Proof coins don't usually allow for meaningful grade guesses, especially within a one point variance. Hairlines, which often account for grade differences, don't typically show in images.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Mark what about The eye appeal of my coin Rainbow on obv and rev, and it look like that in Hand , ask Badger
mine Has less hits and Much better eye appeal
If you're asking about the second coin, I think it's gorgeous. But 1) it looks to have subdued mirrors and 2) as I mentioned previously, typically, Proof coins can't be graded accurately based on images, especially to within a point.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Not to mention quality of mirrors. Toned coins in particular can easily have flaws--especially minor ones--masked in photos.
You may have justified your coin having a higher value or commanding a higher premium relative to the "standard" price for the grade, but while eye appeal is PART of a grade, it is not the sole factor in determining a grade. On proofs in particular, the flaws that typically bring down the grade are routinely minor and visible only at certain angles, both factors that will make them hard if not impossible to see in photographs.
If we're going to play that game using the photos only, the top coin has two small marks on the top of the collar and a small mark on the cheekbone and temple. The bottom coin has a larger mark on the top of the collar, a longer, thinner mark to the left of that, a mark on the jaw, and an obvious mark just in front of the nose, Plus it has two small carbon spots on the reverse.
If it doesn't fit, resubmit.
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I was just asking about you with another old time member , Did you Finish school , is everything going great for you , I remember the auctions to help you go thru school.
Or in this case: if it doesn't fit, start some ****.
I asked the to hold the order for Review and they ignored me
Coin #1 is PR67. It has a few small marks visible on Jefferson's collar and cheek.
Coin #2 is PR68. Very pleasing matched toning on both obverse and reverse. One small mark on the collar.
My guess is the top one had a bean on it.
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Just for the Record I have the #7 set in Jefferson Proofs
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/nickels/jefferson-nickels-specialty-sets/jefferson-nickels-complete-variety-set-proof-1938-present/publishedset/220953
I would rather have coin #2, I don't care what the grade is.
I am still looking for a nice 1941 proof nickel
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Coin #2 appears to have a better reverse strike. I'll guess #2 is the PF68 for no other reason than that.
both very nice coins.
1 has too much semi-terminal brown toning.
2 has eye appeal for miles and continuity of toning obv/rev.
i've seen coins like #1 have the higher grade because in-hand changes a lot. i'd say 6-8 times out of 10, the bottom one wins even with more marks based on the pcgs eye appeal scale.
I think the reason is would be Top pop and they only give those grades to the Big Guys, would make it a $12,500 coin
First is 67, second is 68....Cheers, RickO
My guess is that BIGDAVE's coin is the 67 and the other person's coin is the 68.
firstly, I think it would benefit everyone if you just explained what your beef is with the grades on these and with PCGS. if it's simply that you can't see a discernible difference in the two coins, well, there's really nothing we can debate. Mark explained it well and I will go a step past that to say sometimes there is really no discernible difference. that is just the truth about coin grading.
to the coins, I see the top coin as PR68, the bottom coin PR67. to be honest, blowing them up like dinner-plates only makes the grading of them harder and way too critical. tone aside, the top coin is much better struck, hence, the one point advancement. I will say this about both coins --- 1941 Proof Nickels can be plagued with polish or a disturbance at Jefferson's shoulder near the rim. yours are both clean in that area.
to comments about the tone quality and the obvious influence it seems to have on everyone, that is an emotional response to the color. does emotion have a place in coin grading??
for the record, here is my 1941.
I would have guessed the first one to be 67 and the 2nd to be 68. Based on the link to your registry set, I know the opposite to be true. As for the hits, they seem about equal, particularly on Jefferson, but there could be an extra one on the 2nd coin . I don't like carbon spots, no matter how small. They impact the coin and eye appeal. The first coin has at least 6 small carbon spots that bother me whereas the 2nd coin has only one that bothers me. Although it could be the photography, I like the 2nd and brighter coin better for that. In the more dull tan/brown-ish areas though, what does the luster seem like on the two coins? All we can go by are the photos. If the luster is more subdued in those areas on the 2nd coin then that could be why it only graded 67, possibly.
If the grade doesn't fit, you must resubmit? If the first one is a typical 68 then I would say the second one should at least be a 67+, maybe 68. What do the other PCGS 68 examples look like after a careful comparison though?
I like the 2nd coin best. It all comes down to eye appeal, brighter coin and lack of carbon spots etc.
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I don't give opinions on high grade proofs without seeing them in hand.
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If the services are going to include eye appeal in determining a grade, then yes is your answer.
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if yes is the answer than it's the wrong one because beauty is in the eye of the beholder, not a universally agreed upon concept. eye appeal is sort of in the realm of the old saying, the reverse doesn't necessarily make the grade higher but it can certainly make it lower. eye appeal(tone or color) won't always make a coin grade higher but it can certainly make it grade lower. with the two coins posted by the OP a case can be made for "attractive" with each one. it is the other attributes which separate them by a point.