The first 1968 PF. Cent "70"? Actual coin TV photo!

joeykoins

Found this while going through a roll of PF. '68'S. Check this coin out! First, by it's exquisite toning. Then, I looked and searched for any nics, dings or hits. Couldn't find any. Kinda dark but very attractive and toned. Only issue, a couple of small tics of carbon spots. Urggg.

MFeld

You need to look at a lot more coins and take off your multiple pairs of rose-colored glasses, if you really think that one has any chance at a 70.

joeykoins

Ok, thanks

keets

PR65RB.

Jimnight

PR64BN.

joeykoins

What would knock down the grade so much? Carbon ?

MFeld

@joeykoins said:
What would knock down the grade so much? Carbon ?

You have it in hand. So seriously, why don’t you try looking at it objectively and report any shortcomings.

mannie gray

The chances you will find a PR70 in a roll are virtually nil.
Any PR70 would have to come straight from a proof set.
That being said, I like your coin as an unusual toner.

joeykoins

@MFeld said:

@joeykoins said:
What would knock down the grade so much? Carbon ?

You have it in hand. So seriously, why don’t you try looking at it objectively and report any shortcomings.

Ok, I will do that!

AUandAG

See if the coin has just one flaw, if so it's not a 70. I see a scratch to the right of the memorial under MERICA, don't you?

bob

291fifth

An ultra common proof in a very ordinary grade that would command virtually no money in the current market. Forget about finding raw "70" coins from that era. It isn't going to happen.

cameonut2011

@MFeld said:
You need to look at a lot more coins and take off your multiple pairs of rose-colored glasses, if you really think that one has any chance at a 70.

Not to mention seeing an ophthalmologist.

jdimmick

Youd be lucky to get apf65 on that one

joeykoins

In the sun...

Sorry guys, I'm in love with this coin. Lol.

joeykoins

@AUandAG said:
See if the coin has just one flaw, if so it's not a 70. I see a scratch to the right of the memorial under MERICA, don't you?

bob

Are you talking about this?



That's all? Is that a scratch or a Strike-Through?

MFeld

The strike isn’t sharp, the surfaces are unevenly colored and lackluster. The eye-appeal is neutral, at best. There look to be lines/flaws on each side. There’s nothing remotely special about the coin. Look at and compare it with on-line images of high grade PCGS examples.

joeykoins

@MFeld said:

the surfaces are unevenly colored...

JBK

If you are going to search for PR/MS 70s, I'd suggest picking up a run of cheap slabbed MS and PR coins in various grades so you can compare and learn.

joeykoins

delete

AlanSki

Exquisite?? I've had 6 double vodka shots and I still don't see exquisite. Sorry, just my opinion.

wondercoin

This is what a 67 looks like... I’ve got a few rainbow toned 69 quality coins in safeflips in a bank vault I haven’t visited in a while. If I get there soon, I’ll pull a few to submit to PCGS and picture.

Wondercoin

joeykoins

@wondercoin said:

Beautiful.
Thanks

keets

Sorry guys, I'm in love with this coin.

Joey, PM your address and I'll look around to see if I still have this coin to send to you. then you can hit the OP coin with a hammer and spend it. also, look around at 1968 Proof Sets, they are sinfully cheap at around $5-6 and after some brief period of time you might find a Cameo/Deep Cameo coin, they aren't really that tough to find.

BTW, the coin looks pretty close to the picture, stunningly warm red overall with highlighted devices. you'll enjoy it.

joeykoins

How sweet? Thank you!
This whole thread, about my undesirable penny. Reminds me of my wife and I, about 20 years ago, shopping to buy a puppy. We found this one dog shop and this one dog caught my eye! It was a Siberian Husky. The dog also at first looked "undesirable ". She had mixed color of hair and one eye was brown, but the other eye was blue. I'm telling you, right away I fell in love with her. I wanted to take her home but my wife DIDN'T. She kept telling me she was too ugly and undesirable. So in the end, we did purchase her and brought her home. Before you know it, my wife fell in love with her as well. So you see, what one person sees, may not agree with the other person. I certainly appreciate ALL the advise and explanations and examples you guy's gave me but nobody's going to talk me out of liking, no, loving this coin. Lol. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Here is the dog nobody seemed to like but me. Gone to Heaven, 15 years ago
Jenna

ricko

It is ok to 'love' a coin.... and certainly you should keep such a coin. However, do not confuse love with reality. Coins are not canines....they do not have personalities, only grades. PR70 is perfection in coins, and that cent is far from perfect - as outlined above. Cheers, RickO

PipestonePete

He loves the coin more than the dog. Only one pic of the dog.

BUFFNIXX

not a chance for a 70!

joeykoins

@wondercoin said:
This is what a 67 looks like... I’ve got a few rainbow toned 69 quality coins in safeflips in a bank vault I haven’t visited in a while. If I get there soon, I’ll pull a few to submit to PCGS and picture.

Wondercoin

Similar? I do realize yours doesn't compare. Lol.

joeykoins

@Jimnight said:
PR64BN.

Well, I got the results. You may be correct?
I still love it!

Mgarmy

What was the grade?

joeykoins

@Mgarmy said:
What was the grade?

PR 64 BN

Barndog

you still love the coin, that's what matters.

Mgarmy

Not too shabby JK

291fifth

The grade of "70" exists only in plastic. The coin you show is a very ordinary 1968-S and deserves the low grade it received. These days some dealers are tossing common date proof coins like that into their store change. As was said earlier in this thread you need to take off the rose colored glasses ( a comment that now has 15 "agrees").

johnny9434

as long as you love it joe, God Bless you then

JBK

I might as well pile on....

I know the pics probably don't do the coin justice, but based only on them I'd say that is one ugly proof cent.

I don't fault you for keeping it or liking it, just for spending the money to have it entombed. But, you came back with the results, which is something most people might not do. So, its a net plus for you.

joeykoins

So, I was only 6 grades off. Lol

Brown? Looks "Red" to me, doesn't it? Esp. The reverse. It literally appears red.
PF. 64

mothra454

OMG Joey I know you were hoping for a higher grade but I hope that razor is just for slitting open the package!!

Edit: I swear he originally had a pic of a razor blade on his console in the car....

joeykoins

@mothra454 said:
OMG Joey I know you were hoping for a higher grade but I hope that razor is just for slitting open the package!!

Now, that's really funny, dude! Lol.lol.

Downtown1974

Any interest in doing a 7070 type set? You find good album coins. Save a lot of money on grading fees too.

LanceNewmanOCC

@joeykoins said:

if you are truly wanting expert opinions on coins and you are going to continually post them (which is fine), you really need to invest in a professional level camera/lens and loupe.

anyone with a good business sense knows that quality investments save/make money, not cost you.

we can then better give you usable advice from better information (pics) from better equip which will easily pay for itself in less submissions and higher/better results. $300-700 is nothing in numismatics over a period of years and that is what needs to be spent with the kind of decisions you are making and money you are spending.

also, i'm not sure how many coins you are submitting per package but you really ought to be doing at least 4, preferably 7-10 based on the average value of coin you have posted. either you are going to get better, make some hits or pour money down the drain. so long as you are having fun, getting a few hits, i'd invest much more money and look for coins with realistic bigger upside.

you can also send different submission levels in one package to pcgs and either have them come back separately (as different tiers take more/less time) or have them come back together. although depending one what is sent off can be a bit contradictive as paying for a higher-tier service if not because of value will delay the coins coming back to you sooner, which negates the higher tier (if not for value).

if you aren't up for learning how to image coins with a dslr or mirror-less camera, get a couple of decent lamps and at least a level 6 iphone or equivalent.

hope it helps.

joeykoins

Thanks

JBK

1. The coin looks much better in the TV photos.

2. I am starting to think you are living in your car since every photo is taken there. (Do you have shaving cream in the glove compartment to go with that razor?).

3. I cringe when I see all these single coin submissions which are chewing up a huge amount of money that could be spent on other coins.

4. I think (not sure) that "red" and "brown" are not just an indicator of color, but degree of toning. Red is mostly original/untoned, and brown is toned/tarnished some color or another.

5. I didn't look but I think the photo of the package shows your name and address.

Just my opinions....

david3142

@LanceNewmanOCC said:

@joeykoins said:

if you are truly wanting expert opinions on coins and you are going to continually post them (which is fine), you really need to invest in a professional level camera/lens and loupe.

anyone with a good business sense knows that quality investments save/make money, not cost you.

we can then better give you usable advice from better information (pics) from better equip which will easily pay for itself in less submissions and higher/better results. $300-700 is nothing in numismatics over a period of years and that is what needs to be spent with the kind of decisions you are making and money you are spending.

also, i'm not sure how many coins you are submitting per package but you really ought to be doing at least 4, preferably 7-10 based on the average value of coin you have posted. either you are going to get better, make some hits or pour money down the drain. so long as you are having fun, getting a few hits, i'd invest much more money and look for coins with realistic bigger upside.

you can also send different submission levels in one package to pcgs and either have them come back separately (as different tiers take more/less time) or have them come back together. although depending one what is sent off can be a bit contradictive as paying for a higher-tier service if not because of value will delay the coins coming back to you sooner, which negates the higher tier (if not for value).

if you aren't up for learning how to image coins with a dslr or mirror-less camera, get a couple of decent lamps and at least a level 6 iphone or equivalent.

hope it helps.

While investing in good equipment may make sense in some cases I think it’s bad advice here. Joey needs to stop buying and submitting coins until he learns what he is doing. You can take a perfectly fine picture of any of these coins he has posted to get a sense of their condition and value. Anything other than looking at (and not buying) lots of coins would be wasted time and money.
The enthusiasm is terrific but without some semblance of financial discipline it’s going to make for a suboptimal collecting experience.

coinbuf

The BN designation is perfect for that coin, it is not and should not be considered as RD.

ChrisH821

@joeykoins said:

Brown? Looks "Red" to me, doesn't it? Esp. The reverse. It literally appears red.

Red designation is a misnomer, it's really just bright copper color. Brown is inclusive of every color that isn't considered red(bright copper).
So remember, red is copper, and brown isn't necessarily brown, and RED is brown

Cameonut

Wow, a $6 coin in a holder.

coinbuf

@Cameonut said:
Wow, a $6 coin in a holder.

That is a very generous estimate of value for the coin.

kiyote

I’ll give him $12

mannie gray

@joeykoins said:

So, I was only 6 grades off. Lol

Brown? Looks "Red" to me, doesn't it? Esp. The reverse. It literally appears red.
PF. 64

Likely a very low pop in 4 BN.
(I could look it up but too lazy right now)
Milk and sell!
(By the way, I kinda dig the coin.)

keets

it will sound harsh, but having that coin graded was a waste of money. many/most of us have been through this, hopefully you can learn and not make the same mistake again.