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joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

Picked up today, knowing my favorite B+M Shop had it in the display case. Just yesterday I found out what these really are. I got word about these in another thread. Showing the history of the PCI Slabs. Are these really special like they claim they are? Thanks for any reply, guy's. ;)





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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the old holders that you rarely see anymore. B)

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a first for me.
    I like the looks of it. :)

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    AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Many people do collect the photo slabs.

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    BAYOUBENGALBAYOUBENGAL Posts: 97 ✭✭✭

    Great memories

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are cool holders to collect for the history but I'm not sure I would use the term special to describe them.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020 5:28PM

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020 5:49PM

    Is it me or does the Morgan seem to have a touch of PL and Cameo appearance? Cartwheel Luster for sure!




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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would advise against putting money into MS-61 Morgans at this point. The price of silver is high and common dates in MS-61 are likely to take a fall if the price of silver declines. The holders may be interesting but finding someone who will actually pay a premium for them may be quite a feat. If offered to my local dealer he would buy them as raw since they are not in a PCGS or NGC holder. He does not buy into the "rare slab" market at all.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the head's up. The last time I purchased a coin in a PCI slab, big time problems. Does anybody see any sort of problem for this coin in the PCI slab? :*

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like those old photo certs. Nice toning.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020 8:21PM

    The photo, right (viewers right) of the actual coin, is that the Morgan to the left? To think, if it is, how the coin changed in appearance! Of course, it's been almost 30 yrs.sitting in the tomb.

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    SIowhandSIowhand Posts: 319 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The best part of this is that you were so excited to share, you couldn’t even wait to get out of your car before taking pictures.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 28, 2020 9:18PM

    That's my "dark room" for photo taking, don't you know that? Lol. ;)

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice score. I do like that one

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The old PCI holders are interesting, I saw a few when I used to get to shows in the PNW. The picture is not necessarily an accurate representation of the coin... We know from all the comparative pictures of different lighting that have been shown here on the forum, that coin photography does not necessarily represent the coin in hand. Cheers, RickO

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 29, 2020 8:36AM

    Thanks RickO, for touching on the photo subject. I was wondering? Not a bad idea, if the coin is the actual one shown. This shows the age prossess of the coins, the before and after result. On what the elements can do to any coin. ;)

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The answer to your questions depends greatly what you mean by special and who they are. ;)

    These holders are from the "original" PCI company, before the name became "PCI" and the new owners (at the time) bought up the stock and rights to the Hallmark holders from Dave Bowers' disbanded grading company.

    Many of the coins you used to find in these holders were graded accurately at the time which roughly translates into being graded conservatively by today's guidelines. Many of those coins have been cracked out and reside in modern plastic.

    As far as collectability, these slabs are collectable for the plastic so I agree that the holders are special. I have a few dozen and will pick them up if reasonably priced (which is becoming a rarer event).

    One last note ... I have not seen examples where the image was not the coin in the holder. I don't believe they produced a 'generic' coin slab with a standard image and inserted a 'date of our choice' coin (like is often seen with Global holders).

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @astrorat said:
    The answer to your questions depends greatly what you mean by special and who they are. ;)

    These holders are from the "original" PCI company, before the name became "PCI" and the new owners (at the time) bought up the stock and rights to the Hallmark holders from Dave Bowers' disbanded grading company.

    Many of the coins you used to find in these holders were graded accurately at the time which roughly translates into being graded conservatively by today's guidelines. Many of those coins have been cracked out and reside in modern plastic.

    As far as collectability, these slabs are collectable for the plastic so I agree that the holders are special. I have a few dozen and will pick them up if reasonably priced (which is becoming a rarer event).

    One last note ... I have not seen examples where the image was not the coin in the holder. I don't believe they produced a 'generic' coin slab with a standard image and inserted a 'date of our choice' coin (like is often seen with Global holders).

    Why, thank you kindly for all your valuable information, dude.

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    3rd generation of these

    1st gen had the grade in white on the bottom right corner of the photo
    2nd generation dropped the grade
    3rd generation added the cert# in the blank space on the reverse like OPs
    4th generation added a bar code

    After Hallmark died, PCI bought the assets and switched over to the small white holder with the cut corners.

    As grading goes these are pretty honest, but the changes in standards are more extreme. The ANA standards were published in 1981. By the late 80s there was starting to be pushback.

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 1, 2020 9:27AM

    Price opinion. I paid, $40. Too high? Fair? Great deal? PCGS 's Price Guide, lists a ms 61 for $57. I do realize a couple of things. That the coin is not in a PCGS holder and PCGS's Price Guide is not always accurate. Could maybe, since it has been awhile since this coin was graded, could it possibly be a higher grade? Thanks guy's. :)

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    AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $40 is a good price.

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    mothra454mothra454 Posts: 277 ✭✭✭

    It's hard to go wrong at that price when melt is almost $22. But these are cool old holders! I bought a Franklin half in one 15 years ago for $35, and I smile every time I look at it. So I'd say that's a good investment.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $40 is a good price. It would probably grade 62 so not even worth thinking about cracking out, not that you were going to.

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    ShaunBC5ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $40 for an MS Morgan is pretty good right now. Regardless of the holder, you’re in good shape, I think.

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a 1st generation slab that I eventually cracked.

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Actually this should be referred to as the PCCI holder, not the PCI holder which was smaller. This type of holder was
    also used by other grading services from time to time.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think Global used that slab as well. Interesting to have an example. Peace Roy

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said:
    Here is a 1st generation slab that I eventually cracked.

    Thanks. If you don't mind me asking, what grade did it result in and whom did you have it newly graded by? Thanks again. Very cool coin, I might add too! B)

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    KoveKove Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭✭

    As a kid in the 1980s, I recall seeing these slabs advertised regularly in Coin World. If I saw one in the wild I would definitely buy it for $40.

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    mothra454mothra454 Posts: 277 ✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Actually this should be referred to as the PCCI holder, not the PCI holder which was smaller. This type of holder was
    also used by other grading services from time to time.

    Technically it should still be referred to as PCI since it was the same company (just changed over to the smaller slabs) and they refer to themselves with those initials on the back of the holder. Cool 2-cent but I never understood the logic for that denomination tho. Did someone at the mint decide that since they didn't make the half cent anymore and they had bought all this copper that they should start making a 2-pence? :D

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,405 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mothra454 said:

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Actually this should be referred to as the PCCI holder, not the PCI holder which was smaller. This type of holder was
    also used by other grading services from time to time.

    Technically it should still be referred to as PCI since it was the same company (just changed over to the smaller slabs) and they refer to themselves with those initials on the back of the holder. Cool 2-cent but I never understood the logic for that denomination tho. Did someone at the mint decide that since they didn't make the half cent anymore and they had bought all this copper that they should start making a 2-pence? :D

    There was a severe coin shortage during the Civil War and it was thought that the two cent coin could be struck as fast as the cent allowing the government to put more copper coinage into circulation that much faster.

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    mothra454mothra454 Posts: 277 ✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @mothra454 said:

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Actually this should be referred to as the PCCI holder, not the PCI holder which was smaller. This type of holder was
    also used by other grading services from time to time.

    Technically it should still be referred to as PCI since it was the same company (just changed over to the smaller slabs) and they refer to themselves with those initials on the back of the holder. Cool 2-cent but I never understood the logic for that denomination tho. Did someone at the mint decide that since they didn't make the half cent anymore and they had bought all this copper that they should start making a 2-pence? :D

    There was a severe coin shortage during the Civil War and it was thought that the two cent coin could be struck as fast as the cent allowing the government to put more copper coinage into circulation that much faster.

    Nice! According to wikipedia, it was also the first coin to feature the motto "In God We Trust!"

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @joeykoins said:

    @Raybo said:
    Here is a 1st generation slab that I eventually cracked.

    Thanks. If you don't mind me asking, what grade did it result in and whom did you have it newly graded by? Thanks again. Very cool coin, I might add too! B)

    The coin did have some luster but it also had some verdigris, as much as I hated to....I cracked it.
    IMHO it was AU'ish.
    I think I still have the photo insert somewhere around here, if I locate it would you want it?

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Raybo said, if I locate it would you want it?

    Lol. No thanks. I appreciate you asking, buddy. ;)

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    BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BUFFNIXX said:
    Actually this should be referred to as the PCCI holder, not the PCI holder which was smaller. This type of holder was
    also used by other grading services from time to time.

    You had the Accugrade (patented, 3 compartment) holder and this 2 compartment holder (gets around the patent).

    After PCI bought the Hallmark assets and switched to the small slab, several companies used the two compartment holder. The most commonly seen is Global, which used it at least to 2009 (Sacagawea's and Waffled State Quarters).

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    joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 14,854 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 12, 2022 8:43AM

    Sorry guys for resurrecting my old thread!
    Did so because of my recent additional
    PCI purchase.
    It's an Ancient coin, this time.


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