I'd like to introduce a one of a kind doily...
AlanSki
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This is the only Hudson doily known. As of now it's not even on the doily roster. Does anyone know how many doily slabs didn't have dates? Here she is with a green CAC
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And unfortunately it looks to have some green on the coin.
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It's unfortunate but CAC still thinks it's a solid 63. It's one of those do you destroy the history of the slab and the single population or crack and conserve?
Sell as is.
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I don't sell anything that often. I'd rather die one day and be able to share something with both my daughters who also enjoy numismatics.
Certainly your prerogative, but if verdigris exists, i suggest it needs to be addressed if you desire to keep it. That would involve a crack out and a loss of its plastic collectible value. It’s a common coin easily replaced. If it were mine, I’d sell it and buy a nicer version.
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I agree, as you can see in my sig line I very much enjoy the old slabs.
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Doiley premium + CAC premium + possibility of deteriorating coin = dump fast to a plastic/sticker sycophant
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Yes there's a little green on the coin.
But it's been in the doily holder for 30 years...
Whatever damage exists under that green has already been done. Zero reason to quickly dump it.
This is a "yeah, but...." coin.
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I'm all for Doileys and other cool holders, but at a minimum there needs to be at least an average coin inside. I don't care how many stickers and ribbons it has, if there's green gunk growing on the coin, that's a hard pass for me.
But, it stickered.
Why would CAC sticker it if there is green stuff on it?
Why does CAC sticker coins with old staple scratches but reject coins for a few minor/light hairlines not due to cleaning? You'd have to direct your question to JA and crew.
Edited: Also why does verdigris get a pass but inactive PVC that hasn't damaged the surfaces gets rejected? Both should result in a CAC failure. The fact that this is in a doily shouldn't affect the calculus.
That’d be a nice exhibit to see at a show—“Coins that have turned, are not legit, or otherwise shouldn’t be slabbed”. I wonder how quick P and N would be offering blank checks to get the coins off the market? Or are there secret agents who do the buying?
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Who or what is P&N?
PCGS and NGC presumably
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The plastic looks to be "all there".
I have an excellent computer, and even enlarging the image, I do not see 'green'...Yes, I see spots on the coin... but they do not look 'green'... so, @AlanSki ... In hand, under magnification, is there really 'green stuff' on the coin? Cheers, RickO
this is how ridiculous the "collectible holder" craze has gotten: a scarce/rare holder is more important than the flawed coin inside.
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I'm just curious, but can these old holders still be looked up in PCGS? I would try and answer my own question but there is a glare on the numbers. Just curious if this had PVC when it was slabbed.
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Is it any more/less ridiculous than the market for sample slabs, with just a pic of coin inside?
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I don't understand that either. I've seen it happen several times on newly CAC'd coins and never understood it. It's like they overlook it.
Green is a big turn off for me on a coin. I also am a big fan of older holders. In this case, the green would outweigh the desire of the coin in the holder and I'd pass on it.
Tim’s user name is Lakesammman and in my humble opinion is very knowledgeable on Doily holders and could possibly answer the OP’s question.
Sorry for the confusion.
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but can these old holders still be looked up in PCGS
you can look up any insert number but only images requested by a submitter will be listed. this coin was encapsulated way before images were even an option, so you won't see any image at a cert check.
To address your question on having a date . . . . . that is a fair query.
When a coin is unique as to date and mint, it was customary to certify it simply . . . . it was obvious what it was and there could be no confusion. A Hudson is . . . . a Hudson. I am not sure if that continues to this current day . . .
Congrats on having a Hudson in a Doily. Some good advice above. I certainly would counsel against cracking it as (previously mentioned) any damage has most likely already been done, and if you need a Hudson that is without problems, they are readily available.
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Drunner,
Thank you for your insight, it is much appreciated.
Alan
Was that the only silver 50 cents comemmorative minted that year?
No. Hudsons were minted in 1935. Other commems minted that year were the Arkansas, Boone, Connecticut, San Diego, Spanish Trail, and Texas.
So if you send it back to our host for conservation, can't they use the same label in a new holder? Inquiring minds want to know. Peace Roy
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No. The plastic wouldn't match the label, which would be problematic in terms of counterfeiting among other things.
Okay, thanks for that. Have a good day.
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i literally do not know. does pvc guarantee to spread over time? i have no doubt it can corrode the coin for lack of a better term but how bad does it get long term if untreated? can it stablize if only a little amount? it seems to come in 2 forms from what i've seen. clumps and thin/thick haze.
Somethings wrong here. CAC would reject that coin with obvious PVC on the coin. I'd love to know what's going on here.