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Will it Straight grade ? 1922 Plain

SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,877 ✭✭✭✭✭

What grade would you give it ?


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When I was at ANACS I would have called it VF-20, Stain on Reverse.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, if it were mine I would send it in. :)

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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

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    calgolddivercalgolddiver Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    here is a 40 for comparison

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    bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hchcoin said:
    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

    Could it have been added? Just thinking out loud.

    Ken
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF Details cleaned IMHO.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 21, 2020 7:14AM

    @hchcoin said:
    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

    The second 2 is normally sharper with the '22 plain strong reverse.
    Lance.

    edit to add a quote from Coinfacts: "A 1922 No D cent should have the second 2 stronger than the first 2. Also the word TRUST is sharply struck."

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd be concerned about the light splotch on the reverse. That might get it a cleaned or stained designation, since a buyer of a VF 1922 No D is going to want wholesomeness appropriate for a VF. That said, I'd still put that in a holder unless you want it in an album. The problem isn't horrible and it's still a very desirable coin, and I don't see it being discounted by a huge percentage.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 20 to me..... I agree with @CaptHenway ... Or should I say 'defer to his superior skills'... ;) Cheers, RickO

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    bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:

    @hchcoin said:
    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

    The second 2 is normally sharper with the '22 plain strong reverse.
    Lance.

    edit to add a quote from Coinfacts: "A 1922 No D cent should have the second 2 stronger than the first 2. Also the word TRUST is sharply struck."

    Learn something every day! :)

    Ken
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    hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,844 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkeigwin said:

    @hchcoin said:
    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

    The second 2 is normally sharper with the '22 plain strong reverse.
    Lance.

    edit to add a quote from Coinfacts: "A 1922 No D cent should have the second 2 stronger than the first 2. Also the word TRUST is sharply struck."

    Thanks!

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the pics, I see no reason why it shouldn't straight grade.
    And as already mentioned, the strong reverse always comes with the strong second 2 in 1922.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think its a 50/50 shot at best, VF20 is the correct grade but I'm 99% sure it has been cleaned, so a straight grade is in doubt.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,306 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hchcoin said:
    Why is the second 2 in the date so sharp when everything else is so mushy and worn?

    I am studying the cents of 1922 for a book to be published in 2022.
    Bottom line is that many dies were horribly overused, and as a rule dies wear unevenly depending on the relief of the area in question, the relief of the opposing die in that area, the proximity of the area to the rim, etc. I will discuss why the supply of dies was limited and how they were overused.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To compare here is my VF20, photos were just done by Mark Goodman.

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    mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    25-30 details, either netted to 20 or in a problem holder.
    50/50 as a few others have said.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,616 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think 25 would be unreasonable... Not sure about the straight grade not because of staining but the reverse scratch between the wheat and the O of ONE Looks large enough to be a staple scratch. Normally, I try to be a little forgiving at the 20-25 level. But for some reason I see this as being distracting to the point that it calls into question whether a straight grade is the appropriate grade outcome.

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    gonzergonzer Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    I don't think 25 would be unreasonable... Not sure about the straight grade not because of staining but the reverse scratch between the wheat and the O of ONE Looks large enough to be a staple scratch. Normally, I try to be a little forgiving at the 20-25 level. But for some reason I see this as being distracting to the point that it calls into question whether a straight grade is the appropriate grade outcome.

    That scratch was what I initially noticed, big time.

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