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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @YQQ said:
    seriously, it is obvious to the world who is to blame for all the USPS delivery problems....
    Make sure YOU all vote in your upcoming federal election.
    I can not as I am in Canada and Not a US citizen.

    Not how the post office works. It is run independently.

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  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So removing hundreds of mailboxes and particularly sorting machines have no effect on delivery speed?

    I have had about a third of my purchases the past two months delayed at mail processing hubs such that they're delivered from 1-6 days late. Mail is sometimes taking 4-6 days to pass through one of these hubs when it usually takes 2-3 days at most.

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  • 1northcoin1northcoin Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:
    So removing hundreds of mailboxes and particularly sorting machines have no effect on delivery speed?

    I have had about a third of my purchases the past two months delayed at mail processing hubs such that they're delivered from 1-6 days late. Mail is sometimes taking 4-6 days to pass through one of these hubs when it usually takes 2-3 days at most.

    Looks like Nevada needs to get with the program?

    It took three weeks to get a first class letter containing a gift card to my granddaughter in California. After two weeks I I was convinced it had been stolen. In retrospect it probably got rejected by the sorting machines due to the rigid gift card inside, but that is just a guess. Shipped coins in thick envelopes may be suffering the same fate as hand sorting postal workers may be in limited supply under the current pandemic conditions.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:
    So removing hundreds of mailboxes and particularly sorting machines have no effect on delivery speed?

    I have had about a third of my purchases the past two months delayed at mail processing hubs such that they're delivered from 1-6 days late. Mail is sometimes taking 4-6 days to pass through one of these hubs when it usually takes 2-3 days at most.

    Mailboxes would have zero effect on delivery speed. In fact, it might speed it up. The mailboxes are a convenience that must be serviced (collected). Removing them may make it more inconvenient for you to mail a letter, but it allows for the reallocation of postal employees to moving the mail.

    As for the sorting machines...conspiracy theories aside...they do have decreased 1st class mail volumes and may well have excess sorting capacity.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is one thing that gets me. The USPS is requesting a temporary rate increase due to the mail in ballots.

    Here's the catch....It doesn't raise the rates on 1st class mail. Its another increase on package delivery. GRRRRR!

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    a massively overdue package involving someone who buys and sells on a regular bases is not abnormal, even in normal times.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Late coins are a nuisance or an insurance claim at most...but late drugs and prescriptions can literally kill people!

    And those items were rarely ever delayed...but not anymore.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    This is one thing that gets me. The USPS is requesting a temporary rate increase due to the mail in ballots.

    Here's the catch....It doesn't raise the rates on 1st class mail. Its another increase on package delivery. GRRRRR!

    Would ballots even go out 1st class? Wouldn't they get a bulk mail rate?

    I tend to be an anarchist. BUT, they really should reabsorb USPS into the federal government and, if necessary, subsidize mail delivery. It remains a critical function for commerce and it is simply not profitable for a private business.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    About 7 or 8 years ago I suggested to my local postmaster what I thought would be a good location for a mailbox. He outright told me back then the long term goal is to eliminate mailboxes because having to take time out to empty them slows everything down. They want outgoing mail picked up from your home mailbox or brought to the post office.

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 9:24AM

    @ms70 said:
    About 7 or 8 years ago I suggested to my local postmaster what I thought would be a good location for a mailbox. He outright told me back then the long term goal is to eliminate mailboxes because having to take time out to empty them slows everything down. They want outgoing mail picked up from your home mailbox or brought to the post office.

    I have heard this as well. Contrary to what the conspiracy theorists would have us believe, the removal of underutilized mailboxes has been underway for at least several years. It is a cost cutting measure.

    Also, I have noticed in recent months that existing mailboxes are being replaced with new ones that only allow letters to be inserted, and only one or a few letters at a time.

    It seems a lot of people were jamming small packages in mailboxes (thx ecommerce and custom printed postage), and there has always been the issue of businesses stuffing dozens or hundreds of letters into the curbside boxes.

    Edit: my PO got it's new mailbox today and she said it was to prevent fishing in the box to steal mail.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eliminate bulk rate mail completely. Problem solved.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 7:12AM

    It is a service and not a business.

    It is in the constitution ...

    Article 1, Section 8 says that [The Congress shall have the power] to establish Post Offices and Post Roads. ... The U.S. Constitution, in 1789, authorized Congress to establish “Post Offices and post Roads”

    Ben Franklin ....

    On July 26, 1775, the U.S. postal system is established by the Second Continental Congress, with Benjamin Franklin as its first postmaster general. In 1753, Benjamin Franklin, who had been postmaster of Philadelphia, became one of two joint postmasters general for the colonies. ...

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Also, I have noticed in recent months that existing mailboxes are being replaced with new ones that only allow letters to be inserted, and only one or a few letters at a time.

    That was done by where I live a few years ago which is why piles of old mailboxes are behind my P.O. like in the earlier pic.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pragmaticgoat said:
    several slow deliveries in the last month both outgoing and incoming even received my first ever neutral on eBay for slow delivery this week

    That is a Shane. Why do buyers think we are in charge of deliveries?
    If an item is accepted by the PO on time the buyer should be unable to leave a neg or ding on "stars."

  • bronzematbronzemat Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I've cut off buying coin and selling. One very expensive ancient coin I sold has taken a month to go from L.A. to Minnesota, but thankfully it's out for delivery, finally, today.

    Until all this political b.s. goes away, I am taking a break & will enjoy the coins I have and through posts on here and other forums.

    Also, the post is raising rates in Oct. through Dec.

    https://multichannelmerchant.com/operations/usps-calling-first-time-peak-season-surcharges-parcels/

  • YQQYQQ Posts: 3,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Not how the post office works. It is run independently.

    "yes, and if you believe that, then I have a very large and beautiful Pacific ocean frontage for sale , rare that nice, located in Montana, including long, white sandy beaches and wild running horses."

    "Independently run?? on the chiefs "wishes"/ orders by the Chiefs buddy- buddy appointees" and for a very questionable, perhaps unconstitutional purpose, and to serve only one person's wishes:
    to mess up your upcoming election. It started 2-3 months ago or even earlier.
    2 things that could have solved the current USPS issues (which did not arise over night): raise the fees immediately by 5 % and spend the extra revenues exclusively on improving the service and where it is known improvements are needed (without year long efficiency studies on studies) and not spend the extra revenues for political purposes disguised as improvements!
    Nobody would have even recognized a 5% increase. However, it would have made a lot of difference to deliver all your coins on a reasonable time frame...and as promised. It would have been much to easy and transparent. It could have raised a lot of money and served the purpose it was meant for, instead of serving an underlying and disguised "legal" purpose.
    and second: Limit (reasonably) Union veto Power regarding this: require (not request) more efficiency from every USPS employee, as per working agreement which is what they agreed to when they signed up! and mail would simply humm along.
    And since it was said that USPS is independant, that also means that unsuitable employees can be dealt with.
    Independant??? can I buy shares on the open market? or did you mean just simply run independently of all the other GOV entities which are alsob run independently by "yes saying"political appointees?

    Today is the first day of the rest of my life
  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 7:51AM

    5%?? The USPS is so deep in the hole that any extra revenue would get lost in the figurative mountain of bills. Bigger changes than that are needed....

    As for the employees, they are Civil Service and nearly impossible to terminate. Most USPS people are great employees, but the few slackers (and worse) are protected.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you realize how much the USPS has raised their fees in the last few years? GEEZE! The rates to you have doubled!

    @YQQ said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Not how the post office works. It is run independently.

    "yes, and if you believe that, then I have a very large and beautiful Pacific ocean frontage for sale , rare that nice, located in Montana, including long, white sandy beaches and wild running horses."

    "Independently run?? on the chiefs "wishes"/ orders by the Chiefs buddy- buddy appointees" and for a very questionable, perhaps unconstitutional purpose, and to serve only one person's wishes:
    to mess up your upcoming election. It started 2-3 months ago or even earlier.
    2 things that could have solved the current USPS issues (which did not arise over night): raise the fees immediately by 5 % and spend the extra revenues exclusively on improving the service and where it is known improvements are needed (without year long efficiency studies on studies) and not spend the extra revenues for political purposes disguised as improvements!
    Nobody would have even recognized a 5% increase. However, it would have made a lot of difference to deliver all your coins on a reasonable time frame...and as promised. It would have been much to easy and transparent. It could have raised a lot of money and served the purpose it was meant for, instead of serving an underlying and disguised "legal" purpose.
    and second: Limit (reasonably) Union veto Power regarding this: require (not request) more efficiency from every USPS employee, as per working agreement which is what they agreed to when they signed up! and mail would simply humm along.
    And since it was said that USPS is independant, that also means that unsuitable employees can be dealt with.
    Independant??? can I buy shares on the open market? or did you mean just simply run independently of all the other GOV entities which are alsob run independently by "yes saying"political appointees?

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 8:57AM

    @1northcoin said:

    @Barberian said:
    So removing hundreds of mailboxes and particularly sorting machines have no effect on delivery speed?

    I have had about a third of my purchases the past two months delayed at mail processing hubs such that they're delivered from 1-6 days late. Mail is sometimes taking 4-6 days to pass through one of these hubs when it usually takes 2-3 days at most.

    Looks like Nevada needs to get with the program?

    It took three weeks to get a first class letter containing a gift card to my granddaughter in California. After two weeks I I was convinced it had been stolen. In retrospect it probably got rejected by the sorting machines due to the rigid gift card inside, but that is just a guess. Shipped coins in thick envelopes may be suffering the same fate as hand sorting postal workers may be in limited supply under the current pandemic conditions.

    Lately, I've been purchasing quantities of Canadian halves and dollars singly and in lots, looking for nice, toned EF-AU examples for a small price over bullion value from a variety of dealers. Therefore, I've been following a lot of coins through the mail system lately, and it's been a rough year for me (no coins lost/damaged but a few PCGS slabs arrived crushed). Following the delivery of my own purchases, I see coins delayed the past few months at eastern mail sorting hubs such as Jacksonville as well as western US sorting hubs. Not a huge delay on average, probably only a day or two, but it's noticeable.

    While mailboxes probably do slow down mail delivery, I feel it's premature to remove them because, like the removal of business or public wallclocks* and payphones, many people still need and use them.

    *It's amazing how wallclocks have disappeared from stores and storefronts because most people have cell phones or watches these days...except for dinosaurs like me.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 9:39AM

    @YQQ said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Not how the post office works. It is run independently.

    "yes, and if you believe that, then I have a very large and beautiful Pacific ocean frontage for sale , rare that nice, located in Montana, including long, white sandy beaches and wild running horses."

    "Independently run?? on the chiefs "wishes"/ orders by the Chiefs buddy- buddy appointees" and for a very questionable, perhaps unconstitutional purpose, and to serve only one person's wishes:
    to mess up your upcoming election. It started 2-3 months ago or even earlier.
    2 things that could have solved the current USPS issues (which did not arise over night): raise the fees immediately by 5 % and spend the extra revenues exclusively on improving the service and where it is known improvements are needed (without year long efficiency studies on studies) and not spend the extra revenues for political purposes disguised as improvements!
    Nobody would have even recognized a 5% increase. However, it would have made a lot of difference to deliver all your coins on a reasonable time frame...and as promised. It would have been much to easy and transparent. It could have raised a lot of money and served the purpose it was meant for, instead of serving an underlying and disguised "legal" purpose.
    and second: Limit (reasonably) Union veto Power regarding this: require (not request) more efficiency from every USPS employee, as per working agreement which is what they agreed to when they signed up! and mail would simply humm along.
    And since it was said that USPS is independant, that also means that unsuitable employees can be dealt with.
    Independant??? can I buy shares on the open market? or did you mean just simply run independently of all the other GOV entities which are alsob run independently by "yes saying"political appointees?

    Disagree. Demonstrably untrue.

    The issue started in March with Covid.

    I have extra tin foil, if your haberdashery needs it.

    Unsuitable employees are protected by a union not a political party...not so different from other union shops like teachers.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    5%?? The USPS is so deep in the hole that any extra revenue would get lost in the figurative mountain of bills. Bigger changes than that are needed....

    As for the employees, they are Civil Service and nearly impossible to terminate. Most USPS people are great employees, but the few slackers (and worse) are protected.

    They've lost $69 billion over the last 11 years. Their total revenue last year was $71 billion. So, around a 10% increase would do it.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian said:

    @1northcoin said:

    @Barberian said:
    So removing hundreds of mailboxes and particularly sorting machines have no effect on delivery speed?

    I have had about a third of my purchases the past two months delayed at mail processing hubs such that they're delivered from 1-6 days late. Mail is sometimes taking 4-6 days to pass through one of these hubs when it usually takes 2-3 days at most.

    Looks like Nevada needs to get with the program?

    It took three weeks to get a first class letter containing a gift card to my granddaughter in California. After two weeks I I was convinced it had been stolen. In retrospect it probably got rejected by the sorting machines due to the rigid gift card inside, but that is just a guess. Shipped coins in thick envelopes may be suffering the same fate as hand sorting postal workers may be in limited supply under the current pandemic conditions.

    Lately, I've been purchasing quantities of Canadian halves and dollars singly and in lots, looking for nice, toned EF-AU examples for a small price over bullion value from a variety of dealers. Therefore, I've been following a lot of coins through the mail system lately, and it's been a rough year for me (no coins lost/damaged but a few PCGS slabs arrived crushed). Following the delivery of my own purchases, I see coins delayed the past few months at eastern mail sorting hubs such as Jacksonville as well as western US sorting hubs. Not a huge delay on average, probably only a day or two, but it's noticeable.

    While mailboxes probably do slow down mail delivery, I feel it's premature to remove them because, like the removal of business or public wallclocks* and payphones, many people still need and use them.

    *It's amazing how wallclocks have disappeared from stores and storefronts because most people have cell phones or watches these days...except for dinosaurs like me.

    Natural progression. Try to find a payphone anymore.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just heard a caller on the radio. He is a mail carrier and some of the mailboxes on his route would go days without a letter being mailed in them.

    I use the mail very often as do most here, but the average person probably mails very few letters.

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,622 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As an example of such delays, I have a coin that is already two days late now that spent 4 days getting out of Michigan and supposedly six days in Jacksonville while I'm getting "arriving late" messages. It seems to me that I see a lot more "stalls" like this lately.

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  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 11:15AM

    I have a package that is way overdue. It has visited the same distribution facility four times already and has been routed out to two different locations.

    Yea - mail in voting will work alright. And now they want to jack up all of the prices except first class letters. Wonder why???

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most are doing good for me, but i had one from kansas to Detroit take over 3 weeks.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    I just heard a caller on the radio. He is a mail carrier and some of the mailboxes on his route would go days without a letter being mailed in them.

    I use the mail very often as do most here, but the average person probably mails very few letters.

    Yes. 1st class mail volume is way down. And packages go through a post office. I don't think there's any conspiracy in the mailboxes. In fact, for 1st class mail, you can just put the outgoing mail in your own box for the mailman.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Exbrit said:
    I have a package that is way overdue. It has visited the same distribution facility four times already and has been routed out to two different locations.

    Yea - mail in voting will work alright. And now they want to jack up all of the prices except first class letters. Wonder why???

    The answer is obvious: there isn't enough 1st class mail volume. They lose $5 to $10 billion per year. 1st class single piece mail volume is down to 16.5 billion pieces in 2019. They'd have to double the 1st class rate to make up the gap.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reduced flights have a very, very lot to do with mail delays.

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 12:15PM

    @derryb said:
    Reduced flights have a very, very lot to do with mail delays.

    LOL. I haven't received a check from LA for over two weeks because there haven't been enough flights between there and San Francisco? Another recent package arrived at a city 10 miles from me and then sat there for a week before it made it to my PO Box. Recent Priority Mail envelope to San Diego got to SD distribution center within 48 hours and was delivered three days after that in San Diego. When I mail out packages, tracking does not show that they hang around locally waiting for a flight. Typically the delays are en route, often close to the final destination. So, sorry, I'm not buying your thesis.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well! That's what they should do instead of tacking it on to their package delivery. Once the pendulum swings and people switch to other shippers for their packages they probably won't come back. Then it will cost a couple bucks to mail a letter!

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Exbrit said:
    I have a package that is way overdue. It has visited the same distribution facility four times already and has been routed out to two different locations.

    Yea - mail in voting will work alright. And now they want to jack up all of the prices except first class letters. Wonder why???

    The answer is obvious: there isn't enough 1st class mail volume. They lose $5 to $10 billion per year. 1st class single piece mail volume is down to 16.5 billion pieces in 2019. They'd have to double the 1st class rate to make up the gap.

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here in Vegas I am still waiting for a package that was supposed to be delivered today. I ordered 8/10, and my package is sitting in Salta Lake Ceety (BoM).

    Vplite99
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @derryb said:
    Reduced flights have a very, very lot to do with mail delays.

    LOL. I haven't received a check from LA for over two weeks because there haven't been enough flights between there and San Francisco? Another recent package arrived at a city 10 miles from me and then sat there for a week before it made it to my PO Box. Recent Priority Mail envelope to San Diego got to SD distribution center within 48 hours and was delivered three days after that in San Diego. When I mail out packages, tracking does not show that they hang around locally waiting for a flight. Typically the delays are en route, often close to the final destination. So, sorry, I'm not buying your thesis.

    I don't think it is any one thing, but there is likely a component related to decreased commercial flights. I've had a number of packages delayed at major sorting centers. That could well be shipping delays.

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @derryb said:
    Reduced flights have a very, very lot to do with mail delays.

    LOL. I haven't received a check from LA for over two weeks because there haven't been enough flights between there and San Francisco? Another recent package arrived at a city 10 miles from me and then sat there for a week before it made it to my PO Box. Recent Priority Mail envelope to San Diego got to SD distribution center within 48 hours and was delivered three days after that in San Diego. When I mail out packages, tracking does not show that they hang around locally waiting for a flight. Typically the delays are en route, often close to the final destination. So, sorry, I'm not buying your thesis.

    I don't think it is any one thing, but there is likely a component related to decreased commercial flights. I've had a number of packages delayed at major sorting centers. That could well be shipping delays.

    "Likely a component" is not the same as "a very, very lot". I just provided three specific examples of instances where significant delays had ZERO to do with lack of flights. I could list many others. You can obfuscate all you want, but the intention (and motivation) to delay mail has been publicly stated by POTUS and others in the administration, and recent verified actions by the USPS have been very effective in doing so. I'll leave it at that.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's a conspiracy. lol

    The government is incapable of ever managing the economy. That is why communism collapsed. It is now socialism’s turn - Martin Armstrong

  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭✭

    In my opinion, the postal rates are a great bargain and one of the better things the government has done for me.

    I can make a short trip to the PO and send a valuable package to Texas where it will generally arrive in 5-7 days for $35 or so. That’s an efficient use of my time and money.

    If I want to send an actual birthday card to my niece in New Hampshire, someone will come to my house to pick it up, put it on a variety of vans, trucks, airplanes or whatever and get it right to my niece’s door for what, 59 cents or whatever the rate is? It would still be a bargain at 5x that amount.

    "Let me tell ya Bud, you can buy junk anytime!"
  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭✭

    .55 cents. :*

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just had the opposite happen. I sent a package from Tennessee to New York, 1st class insured and it arrive a day earlier than expected. Good job USPS

    Trade $'s
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2020 1:48PM

    @derryb said:
    It's a conspiracy. lol

    Yet some will readily claim a conspiracy to suppress silver/ gold pricing at the drop of a hat

    mark

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