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Best of Both Worlds .... Rainbow Toned American Silver Eagle Error Coin

ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 15, 2020 5:57PM in U.S. Coin Forum

This is the nicest rainbow toned ASE with a major error that I have ever seen, so I bought it for inventory.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice one. Great to see you getting into toners!

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Nice one. Great to see you getting into toners!

    I have always loved toners.

    If I did not do error coins I would for sure be selling toners.

    I still wonder if I should get into the toner game :D

  • happycollectinghappycollecting Posts: 264 ✭✭✭✭

    Great combination of toning and error! :)

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    But I do like the toning.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty darn unusual and cool.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice high grade error ... which doesn't surprise me at all coming from your inventory . :)
    Really nice toning too.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Technically, I would call it a "delamination" rather than a strike-through. But, no difference, really.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Technically, I would call it a "delamination" rather than a strike-through. But, no difference, really.

    Two completely different errors, not even close.

    Obvious Shuck Thru Error. Look at the letters ;)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

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  • jabbajabba Posts: 3,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking lamination but if a strike through tap? Paper? It’s quite large it’s unique I like errors like this some people think they are junk I say Boo to you who say that!


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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 10:50AM

    Almost all of the SAE struck thru errors are plastic and have a specific look to them.

    This is not the case as it was struck thru something else, but I can not decern what the struck thru was.

    Example of struck thru plastic ....

  • chesterbchesterb Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin! Congrats on your newp!

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 3:54PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @dcarr said:
    Technically, I would call it a "delamination" rather than a strike-through. But, no difference, really.

    Two completely different errors, not even close.

    Obvious Shuck Thru Error. Look at the letters ;)

    If a planchet has a delaminated flap on it when struck, once the struck flap falls off it is basically the same thing as a strike-through. Or, if a delamination piece from one planchet gets between the die and a different planchet, that is definitely a strike-through.

    The Silver Eagle shown just above has a smooth texture in the shiny area - consistent with a plastic strike-through.

    The toned coin posted first has more of un undulating "lumpy" surface relief in the affected area. And also it has striations running from about 10:00 to 4:00. Lumpy surfaces and striations like that are often seen on delaminations.

    I think delamination and strike-through are both a possibility in this case.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:18PM

    It is definitely a struck thru error.

    I have never seen a lamination error on an ASE.

    I do not believe the struck thru is from another SAE, but rather, something else.

    Fred got it right.

    For shits and giggles, you made me pull out my lupe and look at the affected area. Struck thru for sure, no doubt.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    Lumpy surfaces and striations like that are often seen on delaminations.

    I agree with this.

    What kind of material would cause a struck through to look like this?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:37PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    It is definitely a struck thru error.

    I have never seen a lamination error on an ASE.

    I do not believe the struck thru is from another SAE, but rather, something else.

    Fred got it right.

    For shits and giggles, you made me pull out my lupe and look at the affected area. Struck thru for sure, no doubt.

    How can it definitively be a struck through if we don't know what it could have been struck through to result in a look like that? To have "no doubt", shouldn't we at least have a theory as to what it was?

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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    However it happened that is a unique looking pretty coin!

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    It is definitely a struck thru error.

    I have never seen a lamination error on an ASE.

    I do not believe the struck thru is from another SAE, but rather, something else.

    Fred got it right.

    For shits and giggles, you made me pull out my lupe and look at the affected area. Struck thru for sure, no doubt.

    How can it definitively be a struck through if we don't know what it could have been struck through to result in a look like that? To have "no doubt", shouldn't we at least have a theory as to what it was?

    Huh???

    You do not have to know what the coin was struck thru in order for it to be a struck thru error.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:45PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    It is definitely a struck thru error.

    I have never seen a lamination error on an ASE.

    I do not believe the struck thru is from another SAE, but rather, something else.

    Fred got it right.

    For shits and giggles, you made me pull out my lupe and look at the affected area. Struck thru for sure, no doubt.

    How can it definitively be a struck through if we don't know what it could have been struck through to result in a look like that? To have "no doubt", shouldn't we at least have a theory as to what it was?

    Huh???

    You do not have to know what the coin was struck thru in order for it to be a struck thru error.

    It seems we don't even know what would cause a struck thru to look like that.

    Since you indicate you don't know what it was struck thru, what characteristics convince you that this is one?

    Hopefully @FredWeinberg can chime in on this one. I'd love to hear his thoughts.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:49PM

    I specialize in major struck thru error coins.

    Struck thru error coins have a look to them.

    Laminations error have a look to them.

    They look very different.

    Could this be a thin piece of metal that "delaminated" from some metal around the mint and then get struck thru on the coin, perhaps?

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:51PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    I specialize in major struck thru error coins.

    Struck thru error coins have a look to them.

    Laminations error have a look to them.

    They look very different.

    The interesting thing with going by looks here is that the lumpy surface seems more consistent with lamination than a struck thru.

    Could this be a thin piece of metal that "delaminated" from some metal around the mint and then get struck thru on the coin, perhaps?

    Perhaps. Could be a bit of both.

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Zions, show me just one example of an SAE with a lamination error ;)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 4:58PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Zions, show me just one example of an SAE with a lamination error ;)

    Show me one (other) example of a struck thru with a lumpy surface ;)

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 5:02PM

    @Zoins said:

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Zions, show me just one example of an SAE with a lamination error ;)

    Show me one (other) example of a struck thru with a lumpy surface ;)

    Unique coins are what I carry ;)

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,868 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Given the sharpness of the letters and arrowheads in the strike thru area, it’s likely the material was thin and soft, like plastic. This does not look like a lamination, where the details in the delaminated area are never sharp.

  • coin4salecoin4sale Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    the grain makes it appear lamination like...

    whats going on on the rim under the DO? does magnification reveal a seam a chip or flap?

    BT&C
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 5:20PM

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

    Good to know. Perhaps the struck thru was stuck to the die on these?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 5:33PM

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

    Good to know. Perhaps the struck thru was stuck to the die on these?

    in such cases the strike thru "contaminant" is affixed to the die.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 5:24PM

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

    Good to know. Perhaps the struck thru was stuck to the die on these?

    obviously the strike thru "contaminant" was affixed to the die.

    Do certain items tend to get affixed more than others?

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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

    Good to know. Perhaps the struck thru was stuck to the die on these?

    obviously the strike thru "contaminant" was affixed to the die.

    Do certain items tend to get affixed more than others?

    Grease :D

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,300 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 5:39PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:

    @Zoins said:

    @derryb said:
    I for one do not consider a struck through to be an error. It is a loss of cleanliness by the press operator. A strike through is simply poor craftsmanship.

    I consider this an error since it’s unintended but it’s more like a mechanical error since the same error doesn’t exist on multiple coins.

    Rolls of new coins would disagree. I have seen the same strike thru on multiple coins while roll searching. You can almost line the coins up in the order they were struck based on the strength and then the weakness of the strike thru.

    Good to know. Perhaps the struck thru was stuck to the die on these?

    obviously the strike thru "contaminant" was affixed to the die.

    Do certain items tend to get affixed more than others?

    Grease :D

    True. I see a lot of those!

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2020 10:33PM

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:


    Your Eagle is Special, Congrats. Also, your reverse has the similar "blue halo" around the rim as mine. Cool B)

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ASE errors always surprise me.... I know they should not, but it seems that such a great coin, produced mainly for collectors, would get stringent quality reviews and minimize possible escapes. Just my theory. Cheers, RickO

  • JBKJBK Posts: 15,678 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ErrorsOnCoins said:
    Zions, show me just one example of an SAE with a lamination error ;)

    Easy. Look at rhe photo in the first post. :D:D

    Actually, I have no opinion either way, other than to say that unless it was an already detached lamination that was struck thru, i would think a normal lamination scenario should leave evidence of detachment after striking at the point where it broke off.

    Especially on an MS coin I would expect that it would be clearly seen.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Reads more like the best of a third world.
    Aside from the debate on error type, there's the toning as well as the "bullion" world. Stackers ought to be looking.

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There is no debate, facts are facts.

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