Here's my latest medal. Note :Comparison photos added of another similar medal.???????
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Nice. Is it circa 1800, or just commemorating that time?
Cheeky fellow, eh wot??
Cheers, RickO
It's a 19th Century strike -- the Truxton medals were the first Congressional medals struck in the U.S. (previous medals were done in France). The medal was struck in a number of different varieties -- here's a link to a great history & study of the Truxton medal published in the MCA Advisory of January, 2008:
https://medalcollectors.org/Archives/Pdf/the%20mca%20advisory%20january%202008.pdf
Nice
I looked up Thomas Truxtun. If a comparison is made between the portrait painting of him and the image on the medal it looks like two different people. Somebody got it wrong. Maybe the painter was being overly flattering of his subject or the designer of the medal didn't like Truxtun and was playing a cruel joke.
His depiction is addressed in the linked article.
Thanks. I'm trying to download the article but not having any luck. What does the article say about the depiction?
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Yes and thanks for the link, read it prior to purchasing and thought it was very well researched. My example which I am awaiting in the mail might have some interesting attributions I hope, we shall see once it arrives.
Very nice medal!
Excellent article, what a saga! The images are the icing on the cake. Thanks so much for drawing attention to this medal. Peace Roy
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While I await for this medal anybody figure out which die this might be:
original
early restrike
restrike from 1860's
And compared to a known 19th C restrike, there are apparent differences between them making it difficult to figure out what mine is?
From the photos, it is hard to tell. Usually the surfaces are an easy way to estimate when the Medal was manufactured at the Mint, but not so with this medal, as the surfaces do not appear natural.
The obverse die is not the original, based on a lack of certain die markers.
The reverse is confusing. There appears to be some rust spots, but not all that you would expect with the original reverse die. The details are sharp like an original, but there is some graininess that you wouldn’t expect, if it was.
The edge also appears to have been lathed, rather than struck in a collar, but you will have to confirm once it is in hand.
My guess is that this is a late 1930s strike, created with early reproductions of the obverse and reverse dies.
Could you tell me what the die markers are to look for please?
Agreed in that there is no die rust or much less than the die markers that are expected to be found on the rev.
Agreed there is no collar, it is filed .
The medal is a little lighter and not as thick, but the diameter is the same.
As far as condition and color and originality goes, it is stunning in hand. Also on the reverse under the 2 in the inscription there is a die flaw. It most matches an HA.com medal in every way which was also lathed on the edge, see below, it was sold on 9/17/2008 lot 28178 where it is described as "struck from original dies" but can anyone really trust any auction house descriptions these days?:
Sorry for the tiny reverse photo, but you can view it if you go to HA.com in all its glory.
Based on the pictures I'd tentatively say that it's struck from the circa 1860 replacement obverse die and the original reverse die. The color suggests a strike that skipped the bronzing process, leaving it more copper-like.
Compare to listings at Stack's? Several of the listings include weights, and one has a color similar to yours.
See also The Numismatist Feb 2007: https://reader.exacteditions.com/issues/44321/spread/35
Jonathan,
Unfortunately I cannot read the article, can you post the article here?
I believe article this to be that great research article later reprinted in the MCA 2008, if so, I read it and it is excellent although most likely incomplete like most of our research of old medals/coins since we weren't there at the time.
With regards to the color to me suggests a pure copper mint red medal.
Lastly the medal in my infantile opinion could be original or an EDS of the restrike. Typically I have learned that the original medals are thinner than the restrikes and don't have the sharp raised edge but rather an edge that has filed down. Remember we are talking 1802 here not 1860, big difference in minting techniques.
But this is just my opinion, worth nothing and I am still studying it and could change my opinion as I research the medal further and study it in hand. Another minor numismatic mystery.