bears repeating from astrorat: Pure acetone will not alter the surface of a gold or silver coin. Washing a coin is pure acetone is not the same as washing a 'coin dip' solution like e-Z-est. Acetone does not react with the metal, it is an organic solvent. Acetone will remove organic and some inorganic material sitting on the coin's surface.
I let some coins soak in acetone before they were submitted for grading. Didn't affect grade at all. PCGS pretty much knows it when they are looking at a coin that has been cleaned. Acetone dip does not qualify as cleaning. I rinse coin in distilled water and let it thoroughly air dry on cotton or microfiber cloth after acetone treatment. I have gotten away with dislodging stubborn pieces of dirt after acetone soak that might remain in recessed areas. This can be done carefully with no problem using a toothpick made of wood. Important: Rub the coin at any time with a cloth all bets are off.
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From those images I would honestly not have said cleaned, but they do make the surfaces look a bit funky. Regardless, I have not seen the coin in-hand.
i'd have to try that dime a couple more times. too much potential upside. that dime was HAMMERED!
all I did was let the coin sit in acetone. Only for about 1 hour. I didn't rub it or try to do anything else >with the coin? I constantly hear others dip their coins in acetone just before they send it out?
even though at least one experienced member said a soak wouldn't hurt. i still wouldn't make a habit of it. very rarely will you encounter a coin that needs much more than a couple 2-3 second dips. perhaps a gentle q-tip now and then but only in specific circumstances.
thanks for the true-view as it says a lot. keep trucking.
I stand by my previous comment, and can't point to why they said it was cleaned. Maybe a little too much gloss somewhere (hair braid?) What's the deal with the obverse rim?
Are you saying what Coinjunkie suggests? Could it be an actual, "Broadstruck"?
for a broadstruck, look to see if it has reeds. if no reeds or partial, you have a nice error. i cannot make out the reeds from the trueview oddly enough.
the obverse rim @ 9 o'clock has a big dent. for 1/2 a second i considered ex-jewelry. you will see over time a lot of coins have been preserved due to being in jewelry, belt buckles and other various contraptions. usually they suffer a look like a coin has been rubbed to death, as is the case a fair amount of the time. i'm not saying your coin is one of those.
i was just going to ignore it but now that we are on the subject, i'll view the 1. max2. trueview and look over a couple spots, including 9 o'clock obv.
edited to add:
i cannot really speculate what happened to the rim. very odd looking. i'll just post pics and let those that can say or speculate, do so.
edited yet again:
i noticed some apparent doubling on the west-inner-central wreath branches but checked vista and saw nothing listed.
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broadstruck coins cannot have railroad rims, correct?
The TrueView does make the coin appear as though it were popped out of a jewelry bezel, but I didn't want to make too much of that since I couldn't tell if the rim were consistent throughout.
@LanceNewmanOCC said:
i'd have to try that dime a couple more times. too much potential upside. that dime was HAMMERED!
all I did was let the coin sit in acetone. Only for about 1 hour. I didn't rub it or try to do anything else >with the coin? I constantly hear others dip their coins in acetone just before they send it out?
even though at least one experienced member said a soak wouldn't hurt. i still wouldn't make a habit of it. very rarely will you encounter a coin that needs much more than a couple 2-3 second dips. perhaps a gentle q-tip now and then but only in specific circumstances.
thanks for the true-view as it says a lot. keep trucking.
Acetone does nothing to the underlying metal. You could allow the coin to sit in a sealed jar of it for a month and it would not affect the metal. Of course, an open container of acetone will evaporate quite quickly and leave the residue of all the crud behind on the coin, but hopefully no one does that.
I believe some folks are getting caught up on the word "dip". In the case of acetone the word is used as a verb to show that the coin is dunked or somehow submerged in solution. However, coin collectors also commonly use the word as a noun to indicate a weak acidic solution that dissolves away surface metal and reduces luster while revealing a spiffy, untoned surface. An acetone dip is not the latter usage of this word.
From a distance those tru-views look really nice. The rim looks worked on @ 9:00. On the last set of blown up pics from @LanceNewmanOCC I'm seeing what looks like whizzing. Notice the "flow lines" going over her neck.
If I was a grader I would call the coin damaged. If you blow up the True View and look at the obverse rim there is damage everywhere. Also from the True View I see no cartwheel at all. Really to bad about this dime that has a great hammered strike.
@coinbuf said:
I also see signs of whizzing, but the rim issues alone are enough to explain why this coin was in the melt bucket.
Do you think the rim issues plus the cleaning/whizzing back up the ex-jewelry theory? I could certainly see the rim being damaged by a bezel or prongs, And of course one would want to keep one's jewelry clean and polished! Maybe even with an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner?
@coinbuf said:
I also see signs of whizzing, but the rim issues alone are enough to explain why this coin was in the melt bucket.
Do you think the rim issues plus the cleaning/whizzing back up the ex-jewelry theory? I could certainly see the rim being damaged by a bezel or prongs, And of course one would want to keep one's jewelry clean and polished! Maybe even with an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner?
Ex jewelry could explain the rim issues, and while I do see some evidence that points to whizzing whizzing is not done by an ultrasonic cleaner and is not usually associated with jewelry. Whizzing is done with a wire brush on a Dremel or similar tool to hide a very large defect and/or to "improve" the look of the coin.
I don't know somewhere between melt and $20 I would guess, for certain way less than the money you have invested in it. It would make a good album coin as long as the owner is aware of the issues.
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Regardless of results, a great find in a junk silver bin.
bears repeating from astrorat:
Pure acetone will not alter the surface of a gold or silver coin. Washing a coin is pure acetone is not the same as washing a 'coin dip' solution like e-Z-est. Acetone does not react with the metal, it is an organic solvent. Acetone will remove organic and some inorganic material sitting on the coin's surface.
I let some coins soak in acetone before they were submitted for grading. Didn't affect grade at all. PCGS pretty much knows it when they are looking at a coin that has been cleaned. Acetone dip does not qualify as cleaning. I rinse coin in distilled water and let it thoroughly air dry on cotton or microfiber cloth after acetone treatment. I have gotten away with dislodging stubborn pieces of dirt after acetone soak that might remain in recessed areas. This can be done carefully with no problem using a toothpick made of wood. Important: Rub the coin at any time with a cloth all bets are off.
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Sorry, I still don't see any problems.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.From those images I would honestly not have said cleaned, but they do make the surfaces look a bit funky. Regardless, I have not seen the coin in-hand.
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The surfaces look more natural in the TV, but still lackluster, as if cleaned. Is that a broadstruck obverse?
Is that a broadstruck obverse?
No. Thanks.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.i'd have to try that dime a couple more times. too much potential upside. that dime was HAMMERED!
even though at least one experienced member said a soak wouldn't hurt. i still wouldn't make a habit of it. very rarely will you encounter a coin that needs much more than a couple 2-3 second dips. perhaps a gentle q-tip now and then but only in specific circumstances.
thanks for the true-view as it says a lot. keep trucking.
that dime was HAMMERED!
Can you explain what, "Hammered" means? Thanks
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I stand by my previous comment, and can't point to why they said it was cleaned. Maybe a little too much gloss somewhere (hair braid?) What's the deal with the obverse rim?
"Hammered" means very well struck, BTW.
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What's the deal with the obverse rim?
Are you saying what Coinjunkie suggests? Could it be an actual, "Broadstruck"?
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.for a broadstruck, look to see if it has reeds. if no reeds or partial, you have a nice error. i cannot make out the reeds from the trueview oddly enough.
the obverse rim @ 9 o'clock has a big dent. for 1/2 a second i considered ex-jewelry. you will see over time a lot of coins have been preserved due to being in jewelry, belt buckles and other various contraptions. usually they suffer a look like a coin has been rubbed to death, as is the case a fair amount of the time. i'm not saying your coin is one of those.
i was just going to ignore it but now that we are on the subject, i'll view the 1. max 2. trueview and look over a couple spots, including 9 o'clock obv.
edited to add:
i cannot really speculate what happened to the rim. very odd looking. i'll just post pics and let those that can say or speculate, do so.
edited yet again:
i noticed some apparent doubling on the west-inner-central wreath branches but checked vista and saw nothing listed.
one more edit:
broadstruck coins cannot have railroad rims, correct?
The TrueView does make the coin appear as though it were popped out of a jewelry bezel, but I didn't want to make too much of that since I couldn't tell if the rim were consistent throughout.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Acetone does nothing to the underlying metal. You could allow the coin to sit in a sealed jar of it for a month and it would not affect the metal. Of course, an open container of acetone will evaporate quite quickly and leave the residue of all the crud behind on the coin, but hopefully no one does that.
I believe some folks are getting caught up on the word "dip". In the case of acetone the word is used as a verb to show that the coin is dunked or somehow submerged in solution. However, coin collectors also commonly use the word as a noun to indicate a weak acidic solution that dissolves away surface metal and reduces luster while revealing a spiffy, untoned surface. An acetone dip is not the latter usage of this word.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Thanks for your fantastic photo's my friend! Yeah, didn't even notice that ding, good eye, dude. As if this poor Merc. Needs more issues. Lol
Hey, my 6000th post used on this coin. Oh well?
Are my eyes deceiving me? The number 4?
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From a distance those tru-views look really nice. The rim looks worked on @ 9:00. On the last set of blown up pics from @LanceNewmanOCC I'm seeing what looks like whizzing. Notice the "flow lines" going over her neck.
Why did you soak a coin in acetone for an hour?
If I was a grader I would call the coin damaged. If you blow up the True View and look at the obverse rim there is damage everywhere. Also from the True View I see no cartwheel at all. Really to bad about this dime that has a great hammered strike.
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I also see signs of whizzing, but the rim issues alone are enough to explain why this coin was in the melt bucket.
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Do you think the rim issues plus the cleaning/whizzing back up the ex-jewelry theory? I could certainly see the rim being damaged by a bezel or prongs, And of course one would want to keep one's jewelry clean and polished! Maybe even with an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner?
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Ex jewelry could explain the rim issues, and while I do see some evidence that points to whizzing whizzing is not done by an ultrasonic cleaner and is not usually associated with jewelry. Whizzing is done with a wire brush on a Dremel or similar tool to hide a very large defect and/or to "improve" the look of the coin.
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Here is the actual submission that came running home with its tail between his legs! Lol. What to do with it now, is the question?
Does anyone know what value this has, if any?
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I don't know somewhere between melt and $20 I would guess, for certain way less than the money you have invested in it. It would make a good album coin as long as the owner is aware of the issues.
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No offense but you dont have to remind me how much I spent. I think I'm aware of that?
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