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RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭
edited July 21, 2020 10:09AM in U.S. Coin Forum

In the area above the G in "GOD," there's something going on with the rim. Is it a rim clip or simply a planchet flaw? Something else?

The rim is full on the reverse.

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a scratch or similar damage, but it would be helpful to see the reverse also. If that metal was missing before the strike, you will see evidence of that on the opposite face.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What does the other side look like? Possibly a very small rim clip.

  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭

    @seanq said:
    Looks like a scratch or similar damage, but it would be helpful to see the reverse also. If that metal was missing before the strike, you will see evidence of that on the opposite face.

    Sean Reynolds

    Best I can do image-wise at the moment.

    Doesn't really show the area in question. The coin is graded FWIW.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,841 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damaged obv. rim,
    based on both photos.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PMD

  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RyGuy said:

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

    I wonder now if the damage might be on the holder and not the coin?

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like damage.

  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

    I wonder now if the damage might be on the holder and not the coin?

    Sean Reynolds

    I just checked it out with a loupe, it's on the coin and the rim is only missing from the obverse.

    I think MWallace may be right in it being a very small rim clip?

    Either way, full slab shot -

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be nice if you were right.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,676 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RyGuy said:

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

    I wonder now if the damage might be on the holder and not the coin?

    Sean Reynolds

    I just checked it out with a loupe, it's on the coin and the rim is only missing from the obverse.

    I think MWallace may be right in it being a very small rim clip?

    IMHO a rim clip of that size on one side of the coin will be visible on the opposite side, maybe not as obvious but there will be some rim weakness. On your coin I do not see any rim weakness at all in the reverse photo. It could be a small struck-through or lamination but I doubt very much that it is a clip.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

    I wonder now if the damage might be on the holder and not the coin?

    Sean Reynolds

    I just checked it out with a loupe, it's on the coin and the rim is only missing from the obverse.

    I think MWallace may be right in it being a very small rim clip?

    IMHO a rim clip of that size on one side of the coin will be visible on the opposite side, maybe not as obvious but there will be some rim weakness. On your coin I do not see any rim weakness at all in the reverse photo. It could be a small struck-through or lamination but I doubt very much that it is a clip.

    Sean Reynolds

    Thanks for the explanation, Sean!

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @seanq said:

    @RyGuy said:

    @Jimnight said:
    PMD

    I wonder if NGC just missed it somehow?

    I wonder now if the damage might be on the holder and not the coin?

    Sean Reynolds

    I just checked it out with a loupe, it's on the coin and the rim is only missing from the obverse.

    I think MWallace may be right in it being a very small rim clip?

    IMHO a rim clip of that size on one side of the coin will be visible on the opposite side, maybe not as obvious but there will be some rim weakness. On your coin I do not see any rim weakness at all in the reverse photo. It could be a small struck-through or lamination but I doubt very much that it is a clip.

    Sean Reynolds

    I think there is some weakness on the reverse. It’s minor, but it looks like it’s there.

    Also, if this was not pre-strike planchet damage or minor clipped planchet, why does “GO” in “GOD” have strong metal flow at the it’s bottom?

    Beyond that, it just has the “look” of a pre-strike deformation.

    I vote error coin, not PMD.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a minor lamination to me. Notice how the pattern in the affected area parallels the light wood-grain effect across the upper obverse.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have magnified the image(s) and I believe it is damage....looks like the abrasion has removed part of the 'G'.... PMD in my opinion. Cheers, RickO

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it is a clip... with a clip, wouldn't the raised portion of the rim on the right side of affected area be smoothly sloped into the affected area? Instead... it is abrupt and appears rather sharp.

    Perhaps a strike through, or a lamination that is now missing. Or could be damage, but seems unlikely given the grade that it has. Need closeup images to get better ideas.

    ----- kj

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