1922 No D Lincoln Grade
ilmcoins
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How do you think he will do at PCGS grade wise? Sending in with a group this week. I am not sure what is on it so I will likely add the conservation.
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I am guessing MS-62 RB, but this is one of the hardest U.S. coins to grade and anything is possible.
I am writing a book about 1922 cents of all kinds. Can I please have a set of high resolution images of this coin for possible use in it? Nice example of a Die Pair #3.
Tom DeLorey
If that is real it is a weak reverse that has been molested and will not grade problem free.
Edit to add I think it's counterfeit.
Those are two very different opinions thus far!
These are the best I have for now. Will see if I can get better when it returns
It is not counterfeit.
Can you please email these for my reference files?
Thanks.
FWIW, I do not think it needs any conservation, but I may be wrong.
Can you request a TrueView on it?
I must say I've seen a bunch of 22-P's...most certainly not as many as you, but I've never seen a strong reverse with a crap die like that before! Maybe it's the pictures, but the whole coin looks off to me.
The obverse rim looks off too.
I know some of these counterfeits are getting better and perhaps this one qualifies as one of those. I mix that
general take though with CaptHenway's thoughts and thus give pause to my gut reaction. If real, the color does look
like it has been enhanced.
peacockcoins
I think it's genuine but from the pics I cannot tell if the surfaces are covered in black carbon spots or nicks and gouges. If it straight grades I could see it in the AU53-55 range, but from the pics I think an AU Details holder is in your future.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I mostly agree with you but feel it will end up in an UNC details holder.
For those of you that might be mistaken: It's a die pair 3, not the strong reverse die pair 2.
Pete
A very unattractive weak rev coin that may get a details grade.
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Coins like this is why I'm not a dealer! Tough error to grade in any case let alone with the carbon spots or nicks or whatever is going on with this particular piece. If you send it in, I'd be curious what our hosts have to say...
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Interesting coin. I think it is counterfeit too, but hope I am wrong!
Yep.
Color looks off, it may just be the photo but it may have been cleaned at some point.
Genuine / Details
It just doesn't look right to me!
Someone did something to that coin!
Doesn't look like a counterfeit ... but the color looks off.
Real nice!
Unc. Details jmo
I'm in the camp that it looks funny, but I'll go with the Captain that it's real since he's studying these. Assuming real, looks cleaned and retoned. AU details holder.
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/showcase/2819
That color looks off - like it had a mild acid bath at some point. Something not right with it - keep us posted as to the results, but don't be surprised if it comes back with a cleaned details grade...
Well, just Love coins, period.
My first thought was counterfeit but CaptHenway knows 1000 times more than I do about them so I'll concur. I have a Die Pair 1 in VG 10 that has more definition on the reverse. That's why I was suspicious.
All you guys need to study die characteristics for the 3 dies
before you comment
And the link for us not penny collectors?
bob
I know some of the experts are saying it's real, but damn that coin just doesnt look right to me.
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Most are commenting on the color and look of the surfaces not everyone is calling it a fake. As a life long Lincoln collector this is one of the dates that I have largely ignored as I consider it to be an error rather than a regular mint issue, thus I don't think it should be part of the regular issue Lincoln date set. And because of that I have not really studied the 22 no d very closely, however it seems to be missing one of the markers for a weak rev die pair 3. I would expect the "O" of one to be more degraded and blended into the field than it is for this coin; especially as this coin appears to be a late die state.
Anyway it will be interesting to see what PCGS has to say on it.
My Collection of Old Holders
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The only thing off for it as a Die Pair #3 is the weak rim on the right side of the obverse. None of my DP#3's show that. This may be the result of a slightly thin, or perhaps tapered thin, planchet. I hope it gets weighed before it gets entombed.
lincolncentresource.com/1922Ddievarieties.html
My Collection of Old Holders
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Based on diagnostics of this coin
I would say it’s counterfeit
How do you know? It doesn't look at all right to me. There are elements on the obverse that are much to too sharp to be "1922 no D" like the date, the "LIBERTY" and details on Lincoln's face and coat. The piece also has the "Chinese look" with respect to color.
Let me put this way. If I were still a dealer I would not buy it raw for certification, as I did with some 1877, 1909-S and 1909-S-VDB cents, because my brain tells me it's a counterfeit.
We shall see what we shall see.
Real or Fake ???
Very nice. I would buy either one of them raw. The slabbing ruins it for me for die variety work.
Can you please email me these pictures for possible use in my book?
The coin is not fake. But the original posters rev pic makes it look like damaged or a planchet flaw in the right top. Of course it may just be the photograph. It will be fun to see how this grades out. I wish you good luck.
WS
Just curious what ever happened with this coin? Did it grade?
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Seems the op forgot all about this.
My Collection of Old Holders
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maybe the graders are still arguing over it
Not to derail the thread but is Ira Stein still around?
@ilmcoins
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Sorry PCGS MS63RB
Started off at ANACS and they gave it a MS64RB....it lost a point on crossover
Thanks ilmcoins. Sorry it lost a point, but error coins like this are a tough coin for me to guess the grade on anyway. Congrats that it transferred.
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
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Congrats, very nice.
Did the coin need conservation or did it slab as submitted ?
I would be happy with that grade.
WS
I did a bulk submittal to ANACS and checked the box allowing them to conserve... not sure if anything was done.
No conservation at PCGS
You did great getting that into a straight graded holder, and I undershot the grade by a full ten points. This is why I am not a coin dealer.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Congrats!
The Trueviews look nice and show a different color to the coin than the first photos you posted.
It doesn't have that flat pink look anymore.
Your pictures sure didn't do that coin justice. I do see it is a weak D. Congratulations none the less!