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1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 17, 2020 10:13AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Guess the Grade - Please don't be too hard on me

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I guess this is one you need to see in hand :)
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PCGS MS 61 CAC



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  • MgarmyMgarmy Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty coin. Not my series, so I do not know if it is common to only get dark around the year. My fear would be old prior cleaning.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    45+?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53, based on the first set of pictures; 55-58 based on the second set. Which is more accurate?

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Top photos show nice luster, so I'll guess AU50.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    53, based on the first set of pictures; 55-58 based on the second set. Which is more accurate?

    I have not done my own photos yet but I would say the coin is between the two photos but not between the grades guessed.

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2020 7:35AM

    @MFeld said:
    53, based on the first set of pictures; 55-58 based on the second set. Which is more accurate?

    The first photo was by PCGS for what it is worth

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  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 784 ✭✭✭

    Light in color, can't say that it was cleaned, but they will probably give you only 45.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,545 ✭✭✭✭✭

    20 sorry too hard. Ok not a bad 53.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    decades old cleaning. 50.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not very good at "reading" photos but I'm seeing nearly full mint frost on lady Liberty and the eagle, so I'm guessing MS60

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Au 50?

    bob :)

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  • AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭

    Fiddy five from me.

  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking I need to take my own photos......................... :)
    @kaz is the closest so far.

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  • joeykoinsjoeykoins Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin, regardless! Not that great at grading, in saying that, I would agree with the guesses with the highest grade. I like it. I don't feel it's been cleaned. <3

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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This graded above MS60?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it's been cleaned and don't think it's lower than AU58. Beyond that, I can't tell.

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  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We'll, with all the clues given I will lay claim to 61
    😅

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    double nickel

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exceptional coin... Looks original to me and based on the second set of images, I see 55 as the floor and I would call it 58. Congrats ... This is an attractive look and I would argue that the look of the coin trumps whatever the current plastic opinion may be. congrats

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I guess this is one you need to see in hand :)
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    PCGS MS 61 CAC

    Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb

    Bad transactions with : nobody to date

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The photos almost make it look like two different coins, with the first set definitely being the more flattering. Would be nice to see larger images that represent the actual look of the coin. Sounds like you're happy with it, so congrats are in order!

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    61 is such a strange grade. At least I got the MS part right!

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Too late to the game.... Looking at the coin and the grade, well, I think it is fair based on the pictures....Probably my guess would have been a tad low...Cheers, RickO

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2020 8:52AM

    I'd have said 58 but can't fault the TPG at 61. There is some high point rub or friction around the coin....in particular on the Eagle's lower left wing feathers....sort of miner when a coin has 80-90% of the original luster. Note that the right obv field is missing about 1/3 or more of the luster - with a luster "hole" quite visible. These days not a big difference from 58/61....in many cases worth more as an "every man" AU58. Some luster remains on portions of obv and rev flat rims. And some usually worn high points show no wear. All in all, no complaints. Decent seated dollars are not that easy to find.

    Did this coin circulate for some period of time or just remain in a well handled mint bag until the 1960's? No way to know. And about the same outcome either way. Submit it 1-2 more times to confirm what grade it is. Could come back 58 next time. Then it would take a 3rd submission to break the tie.

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  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was seeing the dark areas on Liberty's arm, breast and head as rub and would have guessed at 55...

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, how does the TY in LIBERTY disappear without wear?

    bob :)

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    So, how does the TY in LIBERTY disappear without wear?

    bob :)

    If the TY were missing due to wear, rather than something to do with the minting process, many other design features would be noticeably worn.

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