I sent in a group of NGC-graded coins to PCGS for crossover. How did I do?

cardinal

In early June I sent in a submission of 14 Great Britain coins, all graded by NGC as below:

Apparently, PCGS assigns certificate numbers and descriptions to all submitted coins, just to keep track of them. Well, I just got the grades back from PCGS. Can you guess how well or poor I did?

TwoKopeiki

1 plus 2 upgrades? That's a great crossover!

Boosibri

Hopefully plenty Er than I have done recently. Seemingly very strict right now

bidask

Cardinal are you collecting these by date?

cardinal

@bidask said:
Cardinal are you collecting these by date?

Not by date, but by King/Queen, as it shows how the "Britannia" of George III was replaced with the more courageous Minerva persona, and that all of the Kings/Queens after George III favored that more fierce-full image.

Like this:

Upon George IV's reign, there was a sharp change to the British coinage in the image of "Britannia":

These are a few of the coins during the reign of George III:

This is one of the coronation medals struck for George IV's ascension to the throne:

These are a few coins during the reign of George IV and his successors:

topstuf

Cardinal, what was the role of the gilt copper coins? I see them but don't know their history or purpose. Were they intended to circulate?

cardinal

@topstuf said:
Cardinal, what was the role of the gilt copper coins? I see them but don't know their history or purpose. Were they intended to circulate?

The gilt copper coins were for presentations, and not for circulation. These were struck by James Watt Jr at that SOHO mint, and the one shown above was struck by Watt for his own personal collection.

coinkat

Congrats in connection with the crossovers.

I have some questions... Are you seeking or have you completed a variety set for the 1799 1/2d? If so, is it your experience that the 5 gunports variety can have PL characteristics?

cardinal

@coinkat said:
Congrats in connection with the crossovers.

I have some questions... Are you seeking or have you completed a variety set for the 1799 1/2d? If so, is it your experience that the 5 gunports variety can have PL characteristics?

I kept the set of 1799 1/2d, but sold the Proof sets of 1/4d, 1/2d and 1d in Gilt Copper, Bronzed, and Copper a couple years ago:

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-962HR/great-britain-three-piece-proof-set-1806

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-962H0/great-britain-three-piece-proof-set-1806

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-962G9/great-britain-three-piece-proof-set-1806

AUandAG

9 the same 2 downgraded and 3 upgraded. WAG

bob

Abuelo

@cardinal you mean to tell us that all the coins crossed and even few upgraded?

cardinal

@Abuelo said:
@cardinal you mean to tell us that all the coins crossed and even few upgraded?

Yes, all 14 crossed over, with 3 upgraded! If you're surprised by that, so was I!

For those who might be interested, here's the 14 coins in submission order:

Now, you might be thinking, there's duplicates there! Now that these have crossed over, my plan is to reholder them in two-coin holders, so that the obverse and reverse can be seen at that same time.

Abuelo

@cardinal 👏👏👏👏👏👏

cecropiamoth

14/14 crossed with three upgrades is a tremendous success!

I think results like this speak volumes about Cardinal's eye for quality and perhaps even more importantly, a strong knowledge of the series and familiarity with the coins available in the market.

Jeff

Exbrit

Much better than my results from sending a batch in the other direction. 60% crossed. Those that did do so at the same grade although I lost a plus on one at I was hoping would be an upgrade. Oh well. Congrats on yours

asheland

Excellent coins!

cardinal

I mentioned that the coins above would be put into 2-coin holders, and those above were graded by NGC. The remainder were already graded by PCGS:

Namvet69

A tour de force for sure! Thanks for sharing. Peace Roy

brg5658

And after all that hassle and shenanigans, you have the same exact 14 coins you started with!

Always buy the coin not the slab/number. You clearly have a good eye, but this proves that if you have a good eye, you don't need to only buy one flavor of plastic!

jt88

Even if cross by the same grade I would still cross it to PCGS. For better photo, better reputation, better box. NGC sucks.

brg5658

@jt88 said:
Even if cross by the same grade I would still cross it to PCGS. For better photo, better reputation, better box. NGC sucks.

Better box? Lol... wow

jgenn

For world coins it depends on the particular country and coin type as to which one has the better reputation.

cardinal

Now that I have them all in PCGS holders, I can get them into 2-coin holders, so both obverse and reverse can be seen at the same time.

Then the collection would look like a line up of TrueViews, but being the real thing!!

neildrobertson

@jt88 said:
Even if cross by the same grade I would still cross it to PCGS. For better photo, better reputation, better box. NGC sucks.

I think the box is where I have to draw the line.

Exbrit

@neildrobertson said:

@jt88 said:
Even if cross by the same grade I would still cross it to PCGS. For better photo, better reputation, better box. NGC sucks.

I think the box is where I have to draw the line.

I dunno - that orange box is really something! I also disagree with the reputation and photo comments. Both companies are good. It depends on the series which one I'll go to as my standard.

coinkat

World coin collecting is sort of the last but large frontier where the coin matters... Let's not start with pointless arguments or disparaging remarks about grading services. I like to believe that we are above that sort of foolishness.