And another newp, an 1855 with a hitch, all opinions welcomed.

Realone

Crusty

I didn’t even know there was an 1855 flying eagle until you posted this. Very cool piece and love the look. Congrats

joeykoins

Nice coin, pic and variety! The first "5".

crazyhounddog

Very cool👌

johnny9434

Prototype?

RKKay

Clearly an electro.

RKKay

...oh, and should be mine.

Jimnight

Real nice coin!

yosclimber

@johnny9434 said:
Prototype?

Yes, the 1854-1855 flying eagle cents are patterns, struck in one inch diameter (between half cent and large cent).
J-163, J-165, J-167, J-172 in copper; other J- numbers for other metal compositions.
A fair number were struck, and they can be found in major auctions (similar to the 1858 cent patterns).
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j163p189.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j165p190.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j167.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j172p198.html
http://uspatterns.com/pat17.html for rarity info

Crypto

I assume you didn’t ask to return that one. Knowing you, you still might.

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OriginalDan

It’s why RO gets opinions on the forum, so he knows whether to return them or not 😂

johnny9434

@yosclimber said:

@johnny9434 said:
Prototype?

Yes, the 1854-1855 flying eagle cents are patterns, struck in one inch diameter (half cent size).
J-163, J-165, J-167, J-172 in copper; other J- numbers for other metal compositions.
A fair number were struck, and they can be found in major auctions (similar to the 1858 cent patterns).
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j163p189.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j165p190.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j167.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j172p198.html
http://uspatterns.com/pat17.html for rarity info

Yes pattern that was the word I wanted. Than you for the information as well, it will be useful

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amwldcoin

I've had a couple of these in the past and they were the size of a Large Cent...are there half cent sized also?

@yosclimber said:

@johnny9434 said:
Prototype?

Yes, the 1854-1855 flying eagle cents are patterns, struck in one inch diameter (half cent size).
J-163, J-165, J-167, J-172 in copper; other J- numbers for other metal compositions.
A fair number were struck, and they can be found in major auctions (similar to the 1858 cent patterns).
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j163p189.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j165p190.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j167.html
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j172p198.html
http://uspatterns.com/pat17.html for rarity info

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yosclimber

@amwldcoin said:
I've had a couple of these in the past and they were the size of a Large Cent...are there half cent sized also?

Thanks for the correction.
The diameter appears to be in between a half cent and large cent:
23 mm = half cent diameter, 1840 - 1857
23.5 = half cent, 1793 - 1836
25.4 = inch
26-27 = large cent, 1793 chain
26-28 = large cent, 1793 wreath
29 = large cent, 1793-1814
28-29 = large cent, 1816-1857

ricko

Very nice ... Is there a die clash there? Or am I seeing things... Cheers, RickO

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NumisOxide

Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

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NumisOxide

@Realone said:

@coinJP said:
Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

It is an electrotype.

Was it made by the mint?

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Broadstruck

@coinJP said:

@Realone said:

@coinJP said:
Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

It is an electrotype.

Was it made by the mint?

No... Don't put thoughts like that in the OP's head, as he will glamorize the chance Precious was made by the Mint like Smeagol

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Broadstruck

@Realone said:
Its quite unfortunate that there are a couple of members here who believe they know everything, wouldn't you say Broadstruck!

As long as you've been in this hobby you should know something and shouldn't still require needing your hand held on every purchase.

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Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:
Its quite unfortunate that there are a couple of members here who believe they know everything, wouldn't you say Broadstruck!

As long as you've been in this hobby you should know something and shouldn't still require needing your hand held on every purchase.

Really , well thanks you. And how did it appear to you that I needed my hand being held on any purchase? But like usual I will let you have the last word which you are known to require.lol

Your on here for 14 Years and still need everyone's opinion on every single purchase.

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Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:
Its quite unfortunate that there are a couple of members here who believe they know everything, wouldn't you say Broadstruck!

As long as you've been in this hobby you should know something and shouldn't still require needing your hand held on every purchase.

Really , well thanks you. And how did it appear to you that I needed my hand being held on any purchase? But like usual I will let you have the last word which you are known to require.lol

Your on here for 14 Years and still need everyone's opinion on every single purchase.

really, is that how you see it. So I buy a coin, show it and let everyone who wants to comment and you think that means I need help/approval with my purchase, which by the way was made prior to presenting it? You are a piece of work.
Bye bye Broadstruck....the question is who will you bully next? How about don't open up my threads?:)

Are you really turning me stating facts anyone on here long enough knows into bulling?

Whew at nearly 70 years old you should really be a little thicker skinned!

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Broadstruck

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:

@Broadstruck said:

@Realone said:
Its quite unfortunate that there are a couple of members here who believe they know everything, wouldn't you say Broadstruck!

As long as you've been in this hobby you should know something and shouldn't still require needing your hand held on every purchase.

Really , well thanks you. And how did it appear to you that I needed my hand being held on any purchase? But like usual I will let you have the last word which you are known to require.lol

Your on here for 14 Years and still need everyone's opinion on every single purchase.

really, is that how you see it. So I buy a coin, show it and let everyone who wants to comment and you think that means I need help/approval with my purchase, which by the way was made prior to presenting it? You are a piece of work.
Bye bye Broadstruck....the question is who will you bully next? How about don't open up my threads?:)

Are you really turning me stating facts anyone on here long enough knows into bulling?

Whew at nearly 70 years old you should really be a little thicker skinned!

Dude, my last reply. I don't know you, never met you, don't know your age, I am not 70 (over 5 years off), I have only had dialogue via here on the forum (incl pms) or via phone. Oh yeah we had one or possibly 2 transactions. But if you think you know me, you don't so get a life. As I previously stated for some reason you think you know everything but nobody knows everything. EOM

You are our resident Prima Donald / Drama King as you even spun being nearly 70 into actually being 70

yosclimber

@Broadstruck said:
Your on here for 14 Years and still need everyone's opinion on every single purchase.
...
Are you really turning me stating facts anyone on here long enough knows into bulling?

The above is not a fact. It is an unfriendly opinion.

A guy shares his coins on the forum.
This is a good thing.
Please don't be negative about this.

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Catbert

In before the lock....

jedm

Nice looking coin ... but did I miss something? What's the hitch @Realone ?

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RKKay

@coinJP said:

@Realone said:

@coinJP said:
Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

It is an electrotype.

Was it made by the mint?

It's highly unlikely that it was made by the Mint, though it is a logical question. Considering that the J-159A is an electrotype which is considered to have been Mint-made, raising the issue "Why isn't the J-168 electro considered Mint-made?" To date, I have not seen an electro LFE that seem to be of high enough quality to believe it came from the Mint. I'm still looking for an example that would back up the argument.

RKKay

@ricko said:
Very nice ... Is there a die clash there? Or am I seeing things... Cheers, RickO

Hey, Rick. This electro shows clear evidence of the clash marks on the obverse coming off the Eagle's front wing at about 10 to 11. It also clearly shows the clash marks east of the E in ONE, as well as the one on the inside of the wreath at 12 o'clock and the wavy clash marks between ON and CE. You have to look hard, but it is most evident inside the C.

NumisOxide

@RKKay said:

@coinJP said:

@Realone said:

@coinJP said:
Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

It is an electrotype.

Was it made by the mint?

It's highly unlikely that it was made by the Mint, though it is a logical question. Considering that the J-159A is an electrotype which is considered to have been Mint-made, raising the issue "Why isn't the J-168 electro considered Mint-made?" To date, I have not seen an electro LFE that seem to be of high enough quality to believe it came from the Mint. I'm still looking for an example that would back up the argument.

Interesting stuff. Now, why did the mint make electrotype copies instead of die striking them? Ive read that copies were made for collectors and museums.

RKKay

@coinJP said:

@RKKay said:

@coinJP said:

@Realone said:

@coinJP said:
Cool! Is this an electrotype or is that die rust/pitting by the date?

It is an electrotype.

Was it made by the mint?

It's highly unlikely that it was made by the Mint, though it is a logical question. Considering that the J-159A is an electrotype which is considered to have been Mint-made, raising the issue "Why isn't the J-168 electro considered Mint-made?" To date, I have not seen an electro LFE that seem to be of high enough quality to believe it came from the Mint. I'm still looking for an example that would back up the argument.

Interesting stuff. Now, why did the mint make electrotype copies instead of die striking them? Ive read that copies were made for collectors and museums.

That's a question for the real experts. I can only say, from my limited knowledge (from the standpoint of the LFEs), that it doesn't make sense that they would have made electros of the 159A when, to quote Snowden in his March 18, 1854 letter to Guthrie, "I herewith enclose to you a few specimens (9) of the proposed one-cent coin. These pieces are prepared solely to exhibit the size and character of the metals....These dies were hastily prepared; the head being cut by the copying lathe, from a silver-dollar pattern with[out] any re-touching or alteration. "

In other words, why would they make an electrotype when they already cut corners by just using the reducing lathe?