Rainbow Toned Peace Dollars - PCGS CAC

Zoins

Over the years, I've been impressed by colorful Peace dollars, given how rare they seem.

Here's a stand out 1922 PCGS MS62 CAC that Legend just sold for $2,350.00 a few weeks ago on May 14. That's a very strong toning premium considering the PCGS Price Guide price is just $40.

Grade: PCGS MS62 CAC
Legend Color Rating: 9.5 / 10.0

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/80469334
• https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/64274999/-1-1922-pcgs-ms62-cac

Here's the Legend description for lot 217:

The majestic blend of amazing color on this dramatically toned Peace dollar is truly captivating and alluring! Having seen (and rejected) many toned Peace dollars, this one is the REAL DEAL!

Vivid golds, oranges, blues, and greens swirl together on the obverse. The satiny underlying luster glows wonderfully, accenting and backlighting the color bringing it to its full visual impact. We rate the color a 9.5 on our 10-point color scale.

These are ultra rare and ultra popular. Many of the "monster toned" Peace dollars are not CAC approved for a reason. This one has a great look and will bring very strong bidding. We note in our December 2019 Regency Auction a reverse toned MS62 CAC sold for $3,643 (an all time record for the grade). This coin, with its color on the obverse should see very strong bidding as well! Good luck!

TennesseeDave

That's a very nicely toned Peace $. I recently acquired a 1922 Peace $ with some great toning that I'm about to submit to Pcgs. It's not fully toned like that example, but very nice as well.

bearcave

I have a 22 peace dollar, but not toned like that one! Wish I did, I would sell if it brought that much!🙂

Zoins

Here's the $3,643 coin that was mentioned in the auction description.

Imagine having these 2 in a dual-coin holder?

Grade: PCGS MS62 CAC
Legend Color Rating: 10.0 / 10.0

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/35422182
• https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/58323560/-1-1922-pcgs-ms62-cac

Here's the Legend description for lot 514:

And now for something completely different! This is a MONSTER toned Peace dollar, arguably one of the most intensely toned Peace dollars we have ever had the pleasure of handling. The toning, which is most pronounced on the reverse is stunning, we rate it a 10 on our 10-point scale. Let us also be clear, if the toning was on the obverse, this could have been a $5,000+ coin! Every color, the full rainbow spectrum, is represented on this vibrant beauty. The emerald green, bright magenta, soft gold, and impressive blue colors are exquisite! The obverse is also nicely toned, with lovely blue and gold tones that are slightly more subdued, but nonetheless quite attractive. Though we make no guarantees, we judge this coin to be better than an MS62; we have seen higher grade coins that had much more contact than this beauty.

This coin will see record bidding; it is truly a special, totally unique coin that will appeal to a very wide range of collectors, and it will bring a very strong price for its unrivaled beauty.

Zoins

Here are the 2 slab photos together:

keets

I would be interested in HRH's opinion on these two. my question on these type of toned Peace Dollars is why they tend to be restricted to a few of those most common dates.

Jimnight

It's crazy but nice ... toning is in!!

jmlanzaf

That coin does nothing for me.

koynekwest

Those are wild! I like both coins.

roadrunner

A 9 yr old discussion on the whys and why nots of colorful MS Peace Dollars. There's no sure answer other than there aren't many of them.

https://ngccoin.com/boards/topic/235598-some-thoughts-on-toning-of-peace-dollars/

MFeld

@keets said:
I would be interested in HRH's opinion on these two. my question on these type of toned Peace Dollars is why they tend to be restricted to a few of those most common dates.

I think you (at least partially) answered your own question. Since Peace Dollars rarely tone in beautiful hues, it makes sense and the odds are, that the ones we tend to see are the far more prevalent, common date examples.

Catbert

I don't find either coin particularly attractive and I'm a fan of toned coins generally. I think it's the intensity and likely darkness of the colors that do not inspire.

abcde12345

Generally purchasing "rainbow toned" Peace dollars is like ordering some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and you get egg noodles and ketchup.
Very few come even close as the rarified examples within this thread.

ironmanl63

Here is a toned peace dollar that is unbelievably attractive! IMO. P65 CAC. The pictures do not show the true beauty of the coin.

golden

None of those look attractive to me.

CoinJunkie

I kind of like the reverse on the second one, although I wouldn't pay moon money for it.

BLUEJAYWAY

@ironmanl63 said:
Here is a toned peace dollar that is unbelievably attractive! IMO. P65 CAC. The pictures do not show the true beauty of the coin.

A "Golden Peace Dollar". Very nice.

BLUEJAYWAY

@Zoins said:
Over the years, I've been impressed by colorful Peace dollars, given how rare they seem.

Here's a stand out 1922 PCGS MS62 CAC that Legend just sold for $2,350.00 a few weeks ago on May 14. That's a very strong toning premium considering the PCGS Price Guide price is just $40.

Grade: PCGS MS62 CAC
Legend Color Rating: 9.5 / 10.0

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/80469334
• https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/64274999/-1-1922-pcgs-ms62-cac

Here's the Legend description for lot 217:

The majestic blend of amazing color on this dramatically toned Peace dollar is truly captivating and alluring! Having seen (and rejected) many toned Peace dollars, this one is the REAL DEAL!

Vivid golds, oranges, blues, and greens swirl together on the obverse. The satiny underlying luster glows wonderfully, accenting and backlighting the color bringing it to its full visual impact. We rate the color a 9.5 on our 10-point color scale.

These are ultra rare and ultra popular. Many of the "monster toned" Peace dollars are not CAC approved for a reason. This one has a great look and will bring very strong bidding. We note in our December 2019 Regency Auction a reverse toned MS62 CAC sold for $3,643 (an all time record for the grade). This coin, with its color on the obverse should see very strong bidding as well! Good luck!

@Zoins said:
Over the years, I've been impressed by colorful Peace dollars, given how rare they seem.

Here's a stand out 1922 PCGS MS62 CAC that Legend just sold for $2,350.00 a few weeks ago on May 14. That's a very strong toning premium considering the PCGS Price Guide price is just $40.

Grade: PCGS MS62 CAC
Legend Color Rating: 9.5 / 10.0

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/80469334
• https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/64274999/-1-1922-pcgs-ms62-cac

Here's the Legend description for lot 217:

The majestic blend of amazing color on this dramatically toned Peace dollar is truly captivating and alluring! Having seen (and rejected) many toned Peace dollars, this one is the REAL DEAL!

Vivid golds, oranges, blues, and greens swirl together on the obverse. The satiny underlying luster glows wonderfully, accenting and backlighting the color bringing it to its full visual impact. We rate the color a 9.5 on our 10-point color scale.

These are ultra rare and ultra popular. Many of the "monster toned" Peace dollars are not CAC approved for a reason. This one has a great look and will bring very strong bidding. We note in our December 2019 Regency Auction a reverse toned MS62 CAC sold for $3,643 (an all time record for the grade). This coin, with its color on the obverse should see very strong bidding as well! Good luck!

For these eyes too flat,dull. No brilliance. And too much of Christmas holiday like colors. Okay for others, but not for me.

Zoins

@ironmanl63 said:
Here is a toned peace dollar that is unbelievably attractive! IMO. P65 CAC. The pictures do not show the true beauty of the coin.

Great coin @ironmanl63 ! I love the luster on that one!

Zoins

This Dale Larsen coin sold for $7,975! What's amazing is that Great Collections didn't even have a description for this coin.

Grade: PCGS MS65 CAC
Price: $7,975.00, Great Collections, Aug 21, 2016
PCGS Price Guide: 1,250.00, June 6, 2020

• Steve Roach article: https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/sensationally-toned-peace-dollar-leads-larsen-collection.html
• Great Collections Lot: https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/356595/1934-D-Peace-Silver-Dollar-PCGS-MS-65-CAC-Toned
• PCGS Cert (no longer validates): https://www.pcgs.com/cert/21752658

Unfortunately, the cert no longer validates. Anyone know the current cert number?

kaz

I think the obverse is the best side of that coin.

Zoins

The reverse on the PCGS MS65 CAC looks psychedelic.

I wonder what the current cert number is and if it's in a registry set.

ironmanl63

If you are referring to the one I posted it is in my set. When I look at it in hand I drool. The luter turns pink when you twirl the coin. That pink with the powder blue on the reverse is not like any coin I have ever seen. psychedelic does come to mind while viewing it.

P0CKETCHANGE

@ironmanl63 said:
If you are referring to the one I posted it is in my set. When I look at it in hand I drool. The luter turns pink when you twirl the coin. That pink with the powder blue on the reverse is not like any coin I have ever seen. psychedelic does come to mind while viewing it.

It looks like @Zoins is referring to the 1934-D

Zoins

@P0CKETCHANGE said:

@ironmanl63 said:
If you are referring to the one I posted it is in my set. When I look at it in hand I drool. The luter turns pink when you twirl the coin. That pink with the powder blue on the reverse is not like any coin I have ever seen. psychedelic does come to mind while viewing it.

It looks like @Zoins is referring to the 1934-D

Yes, I was referring to the Dale Larsen coin.

I think @ironmanl63 's coin has the most luster and is what I normally expect on Morgans.

The other toned Peace dollars here have color but don't appear to have that much luster, particularly on the monster color side.

CoinJunkie

@Zoins said:
The reverse on the PCGS MS65 CAC looks psychedelic.

I wonder what the current cert number is and if it's in a registry set.

Currently MS66:

Currently in the #42 ranked Peace dollar set:

https://pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/217144

Zoins

@CoinJunkie said:

@Zoins said:
The reverse on the PCGS MS65 CAC looks psychedelic.

I wonder what the current cert number is and if it's in a registry set.

Currently MS66:

Awesome! Thanks for finding it.

Just looked it up. This Ex-Larsen coin is currently in the San Diego Collection and is not showing up as CAC.

• https://www.pcgs.com/cert/34325467

CoinJunkie

The whole set is toned. Worth a look if you're into Peace toners!

https://pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/217144

SeattleSlammer

The mega rainbow obverse ‘22 appears to have quite clean fields overall—cheek marks hold it back—but still......62? That makes me think the grader wasn’t all that impressed by the rarity of toned Peace dollars. Not even a +. Perhaps they net graded it. And no sniffer shield slab?

CoinJunkie

@SeattleSlammer said:
The mega rainbow obverse ‘22 appears to have quite clean fields overall—cheek marks hold it back—but still......62? That makes me think the grader wasn’t all that impressed by the rarity of toned Peace dollars. Not even a +. Perhaps they net graded it. And no sniffer shield slab?

The coin appears to lack luster. I don't agree that rarity of toning on a particular issue should bump its grade. JA seems to concur, FWIW.

keets

I think you (at least partially) answered your own question. Since Peace Dollars rarely tone in beautiful hues, it makes sense and the odds are, that the ones we tend to see are the far more prevalent, common date examples.

the cynic in me would consider that if someone were to "cook" a Peace Dollar to attain color these dates in these grades would be the choice. I guess it all depends on what we want to believe.

SeattleSlammer

@CoinJunkie said:

@SeattleSlammer said:
The mega rainbow obverse ‘22 appears to have quite clean fields overall—cheek marks hold it back—but still......62? That makes me think the grader wasn’t all that impressed by the rarity of toned Peace dollars. Not even a +. Perhaps they net graded it. And no sniffer shield slab?

The coin appears to lack luster. I don't agree that rarity of toning on a particular issue should bump its grade. JA seems to concur, FWIW.

We’ve all seen toners where we can only guess that bumps for special color happened - I‘m on the fence about that practice. With this one, technically most 62’s look a lot more beat up—perhaps dull luster was a factor. But I also think this one could be in a details-questionable color slab.

CoinJunkie

@SeattleSlammer said:

@CoinJunkie said:

@SeattleSlammer said:
The mega rainbow obverse ‘22 appears to have quite clean fields overall—cheek marks hold it back—but still......62? That makes me think the grader wasn’t all that impressed by the rarity of toned Peace dollars. Not even a +. Perhaps they net graded it. And no sniffer shield slab?

The coin appears to lack luster. I don't agree that rarity of toning on a particular issue should bump its grade. JA seems to concur, FWIW.

We’ve all seen toners where we can only guess that bumps for special color happened - I‘m on the fence about that practice. With this one, technically most 62’s look a lot more beat up—perhaps dull luster was a factor. But I also think this one could be in a details-questionable color slab.

Sure, anything is possible and we'll never really know. I'm not denying that gorgeous color coins get grade bumps, but gorgeous is very subjective, and that particular coin falls short of it, to me anyway. YMMV.

Dave99B

Not a fan. The toning looks suspect to me...I’m honestly a little surprised it straight graded.

Dave

jerseycat101

I dont like either of the coins at the top of this thread.

I do like the Larson 34D.

Zoins

@Dave99B said:
Not a fan. The toning looks suspect to me...I’m honestly a little surprised it straight graded.

Which coin? Every coin in this thread (so far) is straight graded PCGS CAC. The only exception is the Larsen 34-D which is non-CAC after upgrade, but CAC before the upgrade.

Dave99B

@Zoins - The first coin....1922 PCGS MS62

Dave

SeattleSlammer

First coin is suspect for sure.

Broadstruck

Felling really old seeing these as I recall when common dated colorfully toned Peace dollars in low MS grades sold for about $70-ish.

The white spots on the reverse of the 34-D did not tone as there was trace remaining die grease present in those areas.

Zoins

1921 Peace Dollar - PCGS MS65+ POP 74/215 CAC

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/41080790

Zoins

Another CAC LRC 9.5 coin just showed up. Just adding here for posterity and to compare with other coins.

Please discuss here: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1067966/gorgeous-toned-1925-peace-dollar-on-legend-auctions#latest

1925 Peace Dollar
grade: PCGS MS64 CAC POP 22,534/12,281
toning: LRC 9.5
cert: 7365.64/42137527

• Cert: https://www.pcgs.com/cert/42137527
• Sale: https://legendauctions.hibid.com/lot/105760180/-1-1925-pcgs-ms64-cac
• Discussion: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1067966/gorgeous-toned-1925-peace-dollar-on-legend-auctions#latest
• More Discussion: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1068139/when-should-a-c-or-d-coin-be-pushed-over-the-line-to-an-a-or-b-coin

Legend wrote:
WOW, WOW, WOW! This is one of the most beautifully toned Peace dollars we have ever offered. OMG this coin is outrageous! And, it is CAC approved!

The obverse and reverse are both draped in fire-engine RED Color that blends with greens and golds. The Christmas colors really pop when the lustrous silver surfaces are rotated in a light. We rate the color a 9.5 on our 10-point color scale. Seriously a real prize for the toned Peace dollar collector, this coin belongs in a world class cabinet! Good luck!

Zoins

@Hadleydog said:
I searched for 20 years for a toned peace dollar that satisfied my tastes and was within my budget. I settled on this one.
The color progression is correct It also appears to show some textile toning, as the pattern does extend into the fields. It has that 'crackled' appearance that one would expect from 1921 dollars.
Finally, in hand, it just has that look that is so difficult to explain.
Sadly, the images do not portray the luster.

@Hadleydog posted this PCGS CAC here:

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12402039/#Comment_12402039

Here's the TrueView: