1859 S Seated Liberty Dollar Breen-5462

4BR

Hi,
I have a PCGS 1859 S Seated Liberty dollar variety, re-punched date, you can clearly see it at the base of the "1" from the scan I took. This is a pretty rare one year type dollar as it is. The variety is not captured on the PCGS slab. Is it worth it to get this resubmitted back to PCGS to capture the Breen-5462 variety? Opinions please. Thank you.

Barndog

check auction records to see if ANY premium has been paid for that variety and you will have your answer.

yosclimber

In the Osborn-Cushing guide, there are 2 known die pairs for the 1859-S.
Both have repunched 18, with under digits south.
As a result, both obverses would be attributed as Breen-5462, so there would be zero value in having that on the slab.

To tell the difference between them, apparently you need a photo which includes both the shield and the date.
Or, if there are reverse die cracks, those are only known on the OC-1.
http://www.seateddollarvarieties.com/1859-S.shtml

The OC guide says OC-1 is an R2 and OC-2 is R4, but I believe there are few people
who collect this series by die marriage, so even having that on the holder would not be of much value.

CaptHenway

I seriously doubt that it would be worth it.

LanceNewmanOCC

the pcgs coin number for 59-s dollars is 6948.

there are no others which means there is not a single 59-s dollar graded by pcgs with any attribution. so if you got one, you would be the first.

pcgs will not just put any designation on a coin for you, there is a pre-approved list.

one you learn the ropes, you can occasionally get a "first reported" or the like with documentation from a pre-determined expert/s.

fs-fivas stanton
$1 Brunk J-212 J.B. Jones
Brunk T-381 J.F. Tozer
etc.

click the plus signs on the pop pages to see whom they use for various denominations.

hope it helps.

4BR

Thanks everyone, these are really informative and helpful comments and info!

ricko

@4BR.... Welcome aboard....The inputs above are good....Let us know what your decision will be... Cheers, RickO

OriginalDan

Don’t forget about the chopmarked variety

OriginalDan

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CaptainBlunt

Nice coin OriginalDan
Without question some of 1859-S dollars went to China in 59 etc. some
circulated at home

Barndog

@OriginalDan said:

@Realone said:

@OriginalDan said:
Don’t forget about the chopmarked variety

Sweet!
Dont you have another example?

Turns out the other one was a screwdriver job, the guy who sold it to me fessed up later.

You should PM me, Dan

Crypto

@OriginalDan said:

@Realone said:

@OriginalDan said:
Don’t forget about the chopmarked variety

Sweet!
Dont you have another example?

Turns out the other one was a screwdriver job, the guy who sold it to me fessed up later.

Shame you had to chose between fake chops and graffiti. That graffiti is pretty bad so one can only imagine.

OriginalDan

Didn’t mean to derail this thread, my apologies to the OP.

1859-S is a really cool issue, despite all the problem coins out there!

Jimnight

yosclimber

Thanks for posting the larger photos.
Your coin is the OC-1, based on the date position, with the right side upright of the 1
intersecting the 4th set of shield lines, between line 2 and 3 (SL 4 - 2.5).

4BR

Thank you very much for performing the research and the measurement, this makes complete sense now. There is no need for me to re-submit this to PCGS to capture a variety, when OC-1 is the majority of surviving pieces for this rare issue and OC-2 does not seem to be a substantial enough variety to warrant too much attention. It's always good to learn something new about what's in one's collection.

OriginalDan

@yosclimber said:

Thanks for posting the larger photos.
Your coin is the OC-1, based on the date position, with the right side upright of the 1
intersecting the 4th set of shield lines, between line 2 and 3 (SL 4 - 2.5).

@yosclimber is a true Scholar of coins. @4BR i agree with your choice not to reholder, our hosts don’t recognize the variety anyway, no use in spending the time/money. Enjoy it as is