you just have to becareful that when u buy a "trading card" ...designation and not authentic.designation
...there are a lot of reprints and psa helps out by putting reprint on some autos ..beceause people try to pass a reprint for a real card...like I thought the original poster was talking about but apparently its a real mantle 1952
@lawyer05 said:
you just have to becareful that when u buy a "trading card" ...designation and not authentic.designation
...there are a lot of reprints and psa helps out by putting reprint on some autos ..because people try to pass a reprint for a real card...like I thought the original poster was talking about but apparently its a real mantle 1952
"trading card". can be real or a reprint. which is questionable practices, imo & causes a lot of confusion for newbs and leaves the door wide open for sellers w/ low morals to take advantage of people. i'm not a fan of labeling those cards in red flips.
red flips have always meant "card grade". non-manufacturer reprints would never get holdered. i understand they are a business and there is a fee for card grading, but feel very strongly only an authentic card should make it in a red flip. they could at least verify it's a legit card and leave it as an "a" grade even if it woulda graded a 5 even if the submitter didn't pay for the card grade.
trading cards and reprints should be left to the blue flip. then you can decide if you want to gamble that that blue flip might actually be a real card.
While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.
If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.
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Often wondered if there are auto. card collectors who have the auto. on the back of the card. Thereby preserving the front of the card. Since most often that is the side that if viewed more. Personally I do not know of any.
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Who's auto is graded the 9? Or is Puljos a 10 and Ichiro an 8 then averaged? Seems I'm asking facetiously but generally interested because i've never worried about auto grades. 7 is the lowest auto grade I have seen as well. Which is probably why I've never trulied worried about the grade and more card condition.
@blurryface said:
Who's auto is graded the 9? Or is Puljos a 10 and Ichiro an 8 then averaged? Seems I'm asking facetiously but generally interested because i've never worried about auto grades. 7 is the lowest auto grade I have seen as well. Which is probably why I've never trulied worried about the grade and more card condition.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
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@doubledragon said:
This argument reminds me of the old Police Squad shootout scene.😂
Who was arguing? Lawyer, did you think we were arguing? I was sincerely interested in how and what goes on in the brain of another autograph collector like myself, yet who goes about it in a totally different way.
I have tons of dual sig cards in my collection, but always content with just the "authentic". It never even crossed my mind about how a singular auto grade was attributed to 2 or more autos on 1 card. I was genuinely curious. And still have questions like what if one of the autos was fake on a dual autod card? Would they still numerically grade it? Or does the entire card get kicked back?
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
Where?
Only time I have seen a notation on an altered card is when it ISNT signed and "altered" would go right where it states "psa dna certified". I'm basically saying again that there wouldn't be room on the flip for it state whether it's altered and the fact that it's signature is authenticated w/ less than 20 signed copies seems like it would take precedence here.
As for not being good enough for a numerical grade, a pinhole, paper-loss and even mild forms of unintentional butchery would still result in a 1.
Next and can't believe I even have to say this, but we are talking tens of thousands of dollars with each inclining numerical grade here. Who would leave it to even be questioned like we are doing right here and now?
Doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer here to want to remove any and all doubt. Especially on a card of this caliber. Furthermore, it wouldn't leave the seller attempting to tickle the truth into submission on it "being the highest graded example". The guy's asking for a cool million doll hairs, so let's not act like money isn't the main chauffeur for this guy. He said "screw the moon, i'm shooting straight for Uranus".
Now, it very well could be a non altered example, but the only other theory here is that someone purposely kept it in an "A" holder since it has a 10 auto which would mean they knew going in that it wouldn't be the highest graded card, yet with just a 10 auto he could do that tickling I referred to earlier. Either way, don't let my direct bluntness on this issue fool you. I do have skin in this game and it would invoke a large smile even if he only got a 10th of what he's asking.
I just think he would have better luck doing it in a more tactful and appropriate manner. That's all.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
That is not correct according to PSA. I have had signed authentic cards (where I designated dual grading of card and auto--card graded authentic) and when I asked PSA directly about the card, they said it was authentic because the card had been altered and that authentic/signed card dual means one of two things 1) The submitted wanted the dual grade and card wouldn't numerically grade because of alteration or trimming or 2) The submitter opted for grading service of only numerically grading the auto and authenticating (vs. numerically grading) the card.
If you can find an auto/card slip with aleration/trimming typed on the flip, I'd like to see it.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.
You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.
No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
That is not correct according to PSA. I have had signed authentic cards (where I designated dual grading of card and auto--card graded authentic) and when I asked PSA directly about the card, they said it was authentic because the card had been altered and that authentic/signed card dual means one of two things 1) The submitted wanted the dual grade and card wouldn't numerically grade because of alteration or trimming or 2) The submitter opted for grading service of only numerically grading the auto and authenticating (vs. numerically grading) the card.
If you can find an auto/card slip with aleration/trimming typed on the flip, I'd like to see it.
You guys may be right. I have never seen an auto'd card, I have seen only regular cards that grade authentic and if they were deemed trimmed/altered stock and still slabbed, this was noted on the flip. It SHOULD be the same on an autographed card.
This would,be a huge "loophole" if they don't note that the card was altered.
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To each his own. I'd rather have a Yaz PSA 8 with a nice autograph than a PSA 8 without one, especially when it's associated with the experience of meeting Yaz in person like this one was. Same with my Barry.
The 1952 Topps Mantle is undeniably a top 3 card in all of the baseball card hobby.
There are a lot of 1952 Mantles in various conditions that will continue to change hands in years to come.
There are only a few 1952 Mantles that have been autographed. One of the reasons there are so few is that the card is valuable and many would not have wanted it 'ruined' by handling and autographing during the 80s and 90s when Mantle autographed a lot of stuff and also contributed to autographs on cards (reprints, newer cards, and the like) emerging as something worthy of doing and collecting.
Today, autographs on baseball cards is not only very common but a staple of the most expensive modern rookie cards for folks like Trout, etc.
Mantle is obviously deceased and will never have a chance to sign anything again.
Hypothesis and Prediction: A real 1952 Topps Mantle with a real autograph is a big deal in any grade of card or autograph. A perfect "10 auto" on a "Confirmed Real" 1952 Mantle cards is going to go up and up and up in the coming decade. Perfect autos on that real card are only known to have 3 examples. This card today should be worth at least $150K and will be close to $500K within 10 years.
@Hawknestmonsters said:
Out of curiosity, when were these reprint cards released? I assume it’s a topps issue? Did they do the complete set or just the star cards? Thanks!
I believe it was 1983. An (almost) complete set was released but Topps was unable to come to terms with five players so it is five cards short of the original set.
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Those are quality autos. Nice and bold!
measly authentic auto:
So yes I would rather a bold nice auto if I'm collecting the autos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
What's the lowest auto grade you have seen?
you just have to becareful that when u buy a "trading card" ...designation and not authentic.designation
...there are a lot of reprints and psa helps out by putting reprint on some autos ..beceause people try to pass a reprint for a real card...like I thought the original poster was talking about but apparently its a real mantle 1952
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
"trading card". can be real or a reprint. which is questionable practices, imo & causes a lot of confusion for newbs and leaves the door wide open for sellers w/ low morals to take advantage of people. i'm not a fan of labeling those cards in red flips.
red flips have always meant "card grade". non-manufacturer reprints would never get holdered. i understand they are a business and there is a fee for card grading, but feel very strongly only an authentic card should make it in a red flip. they could at least verify it's a legit card and leave it as an "a" grade even if it woulda graded a 5 even if the submitter didn't pay for the card grade.
trading cards and reprints should be left to the blue flip. then you can decide if you want to gamble that that blue flip might actually be a real card.
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Often wondered if there are auto. card collectors who have the auto. on the back of the card. Thereby preserving the front of the card. Since most often that is the side that if viewed more. Personally I do not know of any.
I think the lowest I have seen is a 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
I don't mind this 9 Auto
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
so would u Crack this psa 8 to let ichiro and pujols sign your card ? Or do u leave it psa 8 gold without an auto ? Lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Who's auto is graded the 9? Or is Puljos a 10 and Ichiro an 8 then averaged? Seems I'm asking facetiously but generally interested because i've never worried about auto grades. 7 is the lowest auto grade I have seen as well. Which is probably why I've never trulied worried about the grade and more card condition.
Combined...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
This argument reminds me of the old Police Squad shootout scene.😂
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No, the card has not been trimmed or altered in some way. PSA would have noted that.
The card is just not good enough to achieve a number grade.
Who was arguing? Lawyer, did you think we were arguing? I was sincerely interested in how and what goes on in the brain of another autograph collector like myself, yet who goes about it in a totally different way.
I have tons of dual sig cards in my collection, but always content with just the "authentic". It never even crossed my mind about how a singular auto grade was attributed to 2 or more autos on 1 card. I was genuinely curious. And still have questions like what if one of the autos was fake on a dual autod card? Would they still numerically grade it? Or does the entire card get kicked back?
Where?
Only time I have seen a notation on an altered card is when it ISNT signed and "altered" would go right where it states "psa dna certified". I'm basically saying again that there wouldn't be room on the flip for it state whether it's altered and the fact that it's signature is authenticated w/ less than 20 signed copies seems like it would take precedence here.
As for not being good enough for a numerical grade, a pinhole, paper-loss and even mild forms of unintentional butchery would still result in a 1.
Next and can't believe I even have to say this, but we are talking tens of thousands of dollars with each inclining numerical grade here. Who would leave it to even be questioned like we are doing right here and now?
Doesn't take the sharpest knife in the drawer here to want to remove any and all doubt. Especially on a card of this caliber. Furthermore, it wouldn't leave the seller attempting to tickle the truth into submission on it "being the highest graded example". The guy's asking for a cool million doll hairs, so let's not act like money isn't the main chauffeur for this guy. He said "screw the moon, i'm shooting straight for Uranus".
Now, it very well could be a non altered example, but the only other theory here is that someone purposely kept it in an "A" holder since it has a 10 auto which would mean they knew going in that it wouldn't be the highest graded card, yet with just a 10 auto he could do that tickling I referred to earlier. Either way, don't let my direct bluntness on this issue fool you. I do have skin in this game and it would invoke a large smile even if he only got a 10th of what he's asking.
I just think he would have better luck doing it in a more tactful and appropriate manner. That's all.
The prosecution rests.
That is not correct according to PSA. I have had signed authentic cards (where I designated dual grading of card and auto--card graded authentic) and when I asked PSA directly about the card, they said it was authentic because the card had been altered and that authentic/signed card dual means one of two things 1) The submitted wanted the dual grade and card wouldn't numerically grade because of alteration or trimming or 2) The submitter opted for grading service of only numerically grading the auto and authenticating (vs. numerically grading) the card.
If you can find an auto/card slip with aleration/trimming typed on the flip, I'd like to see it.
You guys may be right. I have never seen an auto'd card, I have seen only regular cards that grade authentic and if they were deemed trimmed/altered stock and still slabbed, this was noted on the flip. It SHOULD be the same on an autographed card.
This would,be a huge "loophole" if they don't note that the card was altered.
To each his own. I'd rather have a Yaz PSA 8 with a nice autograph than a PSA 8 without one, especially when it's associated with the experience of meeting Yaz in person like this one was. Same with my Barry.
i think you posted some cards but laughing entirely way to loud at the racing gif to realize!
Wow Dan, amazing Yaz! So glad you got to meet him. When I met him with my sons it was one of the true highlights of my hobby life.
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well guys he is not autographing any more 1952 so i don't know why we are talking about that lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Let me make a case here:
Hypothesis and Prediction: A real 1952 Topps Mantle with a real autograph is a big deal in any grade of card or autograph. A perfect "10 auto" on a "Confirmed Real" 1952 Mantle cards is going to go up and up and up in the coming decade. Perfect autos on that real card are only known to have 3 examples. This card today should be worth at least $150K and will be close to $500K within 10 years.
Out of curiosity, when were these reprint cards released? I assume it’s a topps issue? Did they do the complete set or just the star cards? Thanks!
I believe it was 1983. An (almost) complete set was released but Topps was unable to come to terms with five players so it is five cards short of the original set.
http://baseballcardpedia.com/index.php/1983_Topps_1952_Reprint
psa 4 w 9 auto currently @ $108k bp included.
https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1952-topps-mickey-mantle-signed-311-psa-vg-ex-4-auto-9/a/50029-80035.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
Thanks 80’s 4ever!