Mickey Mantle Scam on Ebay

rmilin

Just when I think I have seen every scam out there a new one comes up. Right now on Ebay is a knucklehead that has a PSA graded autograph of Mickey Mantle on a reprint of the 1952 Mickey Mantle card. What this scammer is doing is they are trying to get the public to believe that the card is an authentic 52 Mantle rather then just being honest and say that it is a reprint. They are asking $777,777 dollars on a buy it now almost one million dollars for a $500 dollar autograph on a $5 dollar reprint. This is especially offensive to me because I am currently selling a PSA graded autograph of even a better player Joe DiMaggio and I was told by the so called experts on here that my card is only worth $175 dollars. So the scammer gets almost a million dollars for their autograph and I get chump change two days of wages for a hamburger flipper at MickyD's. My question is is there anyone that stupid to fall for this scam? Also what should I do with my DiMaggio autograph? I don't even have it my brother has it but he says he will give it back to me if I sell it but I would just let him keep it if I am only going to get a buck 75 for it are you freaking kidding me???

JoeBanzai

Surprising how under valued Joe D is.

Certainly one of the best players of all time.

nauvcire1

This one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/333527186116

rmilin

Thats the one read the ad nowhere do they mention that the card is authentic.

nauvcire1

Not sure if you’re trolling or not , but it literally says authentic right on the label. That’s the grade for the card itself. The grade 10 is for the auto

mccardguy1

I had to actually go find the OP's post about his DiMaggio card and all I can say is.....oh boy!!

emar

@mccardguy1 said:
I had to actually go find the OP's post about his DiMaggio card and all I can say is.....oh boy!!

A highly recommended read!

Piggs

People can list their card for whatever they want. You can list your Joe D for whatever you want. Just takes one buyer. Go for it man.

countdouglas

Thanks to this thread, apparently he's getting so many page views that he's now decided to raise the price all the way up to $899,000.

doubledragon

On an interesting note, the seller of the bearded Mantle now has it listed as:

"The legendary bearded Mantle". 😂😂

bravesfanatic1

obviously overprised, but the search of the psa # shows that it is a 52 mantle, not a reprint

https://www.psacard.com/cert/41508399/

dictoresno1

guess this thread backfired for the OP

rmilin

Wow why would PSA lead you to believe its a reprint? They say nothing about the card being authentic in the label.

remedylane

It literally says authentic on the label....

What's happening here. Am I on punked? Is Ashton here?

rmilin

To me the label reads authentic auto grade 10 says nothing about the card. But now I realize they mean the card is authentic and the auto grade is a 10 but it was confusing at least to me. Well anyway the card is worth 10k not the million their looking for only a idiot would pay that much for that card. Cant believe all the scammers on Ebay and in collecting I guess thats just the nature of the hobby.

countdouglas

@rmilin said:
To me the label reads authentic auto grade 10 says nothing about the card. But now I realize they mean the card is authentic and the auto grade is a 10 but it was confusing at least to me. Well anyway the card is worth 10k not the million their looking for only a idiot would pay that much for that card. Cant believe all the scammers on Ebay and in collecting I guess thats just the nature of the hobby.

Just how many authentic 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle cards with a PSA 10 autograph signed in a beautiful, bold, blue Sharpie do you think are out there in the world? It's very likely a 1/1 item. I have no idea, personally. I would tend to think it to be quite reasonable that the price for it would be much, much closer to $1,000,000 than $10,000.

grote15

@rmilin said:
To me the label reads authentic auto grade 10 says nothing about the card. But now I realize they mean the card is authentic and the auto grade is a 10 but it was confusing at least to me. Well anyway the card is worth 10k not the million their looking for only a idiot would pay that much for that card. Cant believe all the scammers on Ebay and in collecting I guess thats just the nature of the hobby.

Or perhaps you should read the above responses for further understanding of what you incorrectly categorized as a scam.

palcapone1_

they are saying the autograph is authentic i believe

blurryface

He has a PSA 1 with an Auto grade 10. No scam here.

The real argument here is the seller acting like he has the highest graded signed mantle, whereas what he actually has is the highest graded autograph on an authentic card. two very different things. If i owned the highest graded signed copy (PSA 5.5 with "A" auto) i'd prolly laugh out loud at this marketing! LOL

Personally, I am rooting for the guy to get anywhere above $200k. Win. Win.

blurryface

Furthermore, and someone correct me if i am wrong here. But the big deterrent here is that this '52 card could actually be altered since it's hiding behind that "a" grade. If I were the owner and had nothing to hide, I'd want that card in anything but an "Authrntic" grade. Heck, even a PSA 1 makes that card inherently more valuable simply because "technically" that takes away the possibility of the altered factor. As it sits, it's anybody's guess. And when you're forking over that kinda money, who wants to guess.

The seller selling it like it is yet twisting it into being the "highest graded" certainly tells me all I need to know about whether the card itself is altered or not.

JoeBanzai

@blurryface said:
Furthermore, and someone correct me if i am wrong here. But the big deterrent here is that this '52 card could actually be altered since it's hiding behind that "a" grade. If I were the owner and had nothing to hide, I'd want that card in anything but an "Authrntic" grade. Heck, even a PSA 1 makes that card inherently more valuable simply because "technically" that takes away the possibility of the altered factor. As it sits, it's anybody's guess. And when you're forking over that kinda money, who wants to guess.

The seller selling it like it is yet twisting it into being the "highest graded" certainly tells me all I need to know about whether the card itself is altered or not.

No the card is not altered, if it was, PSA would have noted that on the label.

rmilin

What we have is a $500 dollar autograph on a PSA 1 52 Mantle with ink which is worth $10,000 so if my math is correct that is $10,500 dollars. Who cares that Mantle signed a 52 card the fact that the card gets written on destroys the value. For example suppose Mantle was still alive and you had a PSA 7 52 Mantle worth $100,000 dollars who in their right mind would take that card and have Mantle sign it? Nobody because you would destroy the value of a near mint card. Signing a card does not increase the value it lowers it unless you are stuck on stupid. So what you would do is you would get a reprint for Mantle to sign or if you still wanted it signed on a 52 you would find one in poor condition you would never have him sign a nice card because like I said you would destroy the value of the card.

blurryface

@JoeBanzai said:

@blurryface said:
Furthermore, and someone correct me if i am wrong here. But the big deterrent here is that this '52 card could actually be altered since it's hiding behind that "a" grade. If I were the owner and had nothing to hide, I'd want that card in anything but an "Authrntic" grade. Heck, even a PSA 1 makes that card inherently more valuable simply because "technically" that takes away the possibility of the altered factor. As it sits, it's anybody's guess. And when you're forking over that kinda money, who wants to guess.

The seller selling it like it is yet twisting it into being the "highest graded" certainly tells me all I need to know about whether the card itself is altered or not.

No the card is not altered, if it was, PSA would have noted that on the label.

With all the room that's available on the flip? I hold an altered signed card that's flip looks exactly like this. And let's get real...the card is what holds the value here, not the auto. Who would go "A" card but get the signature graded? Makes zero sense.

blurryface

@rmilin said:
What we have is a $500 dollar autograph on a PSA 1 52 Mantle with ink which is worth $10,000 so if my math is correct that is $10,500 dollars. Who cares that Mantle signed a 52 card the fact that the card gets written on destroys the value. For example suppose Mantle was still alive and you had a PSA 7 52 Mantle worth $100,000 dollars who in their right mind would take that card and have Mantle sign it? Nobody because you would destroy the value of a near mint card. Signing a card does not increase the value it lowers it unless you are stuck on stupid. So what you would do is you would get a reprint for Mantle to sign or if you still wanted it signed on a 52 you would find one in poor condition you would never have him sign a nice card because like I said you would destroy the value of the card.

Who would send their cards off to some stranger to get them graded, too? And just who does Bob Dylan think he is going all electric. And sliced bread? For the birds, I tell ya.

DBesse27

@rmilin said:
What we have is a $500 dollar autograph on a PSA 1 52 Mantle with ink which is worth $10,000 so if my math is correct that is $10,500 dollars. Who cares that Mantle signed a 52 card the fact that the card gets written on destroys the value. For example suppose Mantle was still alive and you had a PSA 7 52 Mantle worth $100,000 dollars who in their right mind would take that card and have Mantle sign it? Nobody because you would destroy the value of a near mint card. Signing a card does not increase the value it lowers it unless you are stuck on stupid. So what you would do is you would get a reprint for Mantle to sign or if you still wanted it signed on a 52 you would find one in poor condition you would never have him sign a nice card because like I said you would destroy the value of the card.

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

thunderdan

Guys, this isn't a scam no matter how you spin it. This isn't somebody selling fake Mantles on eBay--something that happens all the time.

The 52 Mantle is an authentic copy--meaning not a counterfeit or a reproduction. However, authentic grade means it could have been trimmed or altered in some way.

You have an authentic (possibly altered) Mantle with an authenticated autograph where the autograph itself has been graded a 10 by PSA.

It's not my card, but it's a beautiful example. I would want a numerically graded card personally as well as the graded autograph, but this is a real 52 mantle in PSA's opinion.

blurryface

@thunderdan said:
but this is a real 52 mantle in PSA's opinion.

And as stated earlier, that’s all it is. While not necessarily a scam, the price tag coupled with the description as being touted as the highest graded certainly comes off as scammy.

What he has here is the highest graded auto on the lowest graded and likely altered 1952 card. That’s all and that’s it.

But as the owner of the 5.5 which I believe you once owned as a 5, I certainly hope he gets anything near his asking price.

thunderdan

Scam means something different to me, but to each his own, Bob. Enjoy the card--you are correct, I once owned it as a 5, and I also owned it as a 5.5. It's a beauty.

I do agree that he's using marketing language that is questionable and potentially inaccurate. PSA only counts the card grade in the PSA/DNA pop reports, not the auto grade, so there would be no way of knowing this is a 1 of 1 autograph in a 10.

rmilin

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

blurryface

Mark me down for a fool. In the stone age, rocks most certainly were advanced dwellings, but since you decided to peak your head out, take a look at these things they call houses. Preferably with hvac and this crazy thing called plumbing. No more wiping with old Beckett's either. The wizard down the street can make fire w/ the flick of his thumb. Just FYI though. It is no longer ok to club maidens over the head and drag them back to your rock.

rmilin

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

grote15

I can't hear that point you're trying to make..

blurryface

@grote15 said:
I can't hear that point you're trying to make..

Your moot button must be on?

blurryface

@rmilin said:

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

I'd ruin it so hard. You don't even know.

countdouglas

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flcardtrader

@rmilin said:

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

Some say encapsulating a card takes its soul away while others say having the player sign the card prior to encapsulating adds a little character to the presentation.

I suspect this example was signed and graded long ago as an homage to "the best player signing one of the best examples of the best modern-vintage card ever".

I can relate to that strategy.

DBesse27

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

blurryface

@mrvgex said:
If Kirby Puckett was alive today, how long would the line be to get his 1984 Fleer Update signed? A mile? Two miles?

The fact that in caveman days, an auto destroyed the card is exactly what makes them desirable today. The '84 update is one of the hardest signed rookies to obtain. The auto that used to destroy the card now destroys bank accounts.

TGwynnCollector

This is fun

blurryface

What an idiot!

VoteDizzy

Pfft, he's no Joe DiMaggio.

rmilin

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

You are mixing apples and oranges dont go by the fools that will pay $1,000 dollars for a Mike Trout autograph card.
A 1952 PSA 8 Mantle is a really unique card and it was not purposely manufactured to be rare like today's cards. To take a PSA 8 and ruin it with a autograph is horrific I dont care who signs the card leave a PSA 8 52 Mantle alone!!!

DBesse27

@rmilin said:

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

You are mixing apples and oranges dont go by the fools that will pay $1,000 dollars for a Mike Trout autograph card.
A 1952 PSA 8 Mantle is a really unique card and it was not purposely manufactured to be rare like today's cards. To take a PSA 8 and ruin it with a autograph is horrific I dont care who signs the card leave a PSA 8 52 Mantle alone!!!

Again, the card is NOT a PSA 8.

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@DBesse27 said:

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

Correct i collect the auto not the card

steel75

Everybody here is a fool except for the OP. Why are you here again?

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@blurryface said:

@rmilin said:

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

I'd ruin it so hard. You don't even know.

@blurryface said:

@rmilin said:

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

I'd ruin it so hard. You don't even know.

@blurryface said:

@rmilin said:

@blurryface said:
Mark me down for a fool.

So you would purposely destroy a 52 Mantle PSA 8? Wow you really are a fool but at least you admit it. Would you ruin a PSA 9? How about a 10?

I'd ruin it so hard. You don't even know.

Me too

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

a psa 8 auto 10
Is worth more than a psa 8
Where have you beeeeeeen

blurryface

@lawyer05 said:

@DBesse27 said:

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

Correct i collect the auto not the card

law,

you would rather have a 10 auto on an authentic grade card vs a psa 3 w/ just an authentic auto?

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

@blurryface said:

@lawyer05 said:

@DBesse27 said:

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

Correct i collect the auto not the card

law,

you would rather have a 10 auto on an authentic grade card vs a psa 3 w/ just an authentic auto?

By far
Yes sir ...i am currently collecting auto 10 only.and then the best available card grade
But I look at the auto being a 10 first ....then whats the point of collecting autographs if its not perfect?

blurryface

@lawyer05 said:

@blurryface said:

@lawyer05 said:

@DBesse27 said:

@rmilin said:

While there are some who share your opinion on autographed cards, there are many who don't think the auto destroys the value, as evidenced by the sold prices for autographed cards. An authentic 52 Topps Mantle with auto grade 8 sold for $78,000 which is more than VCP for an unsigned PSA 6.

If I had a 1952 Mantle PSA 8 there is no way I would want him to sign that card. Anyone that thinks it would add value to the card is a fool. Maybe a PSA 1 might make sense but a PSA 8 you would win the Darwin award with that one. The point is mute since Mickey died 25 years ago I am fortunate enough to have seen him play in 1968 at Yankee stadium.

You’re confused again. The card is labeled authentic. The auto is graded an 8. My point was that in the eyes of a majority of the hobby in 2020, an autograph lifts an “authentic” card above the level of a PSA 6. I understand you think signatures ruin a card, and I know you’re not alone in that opinion. But you should know that a majority of collectors these days don’t agree with you, and that reality is reflected in market values. In today’s hobby it’s simply incorrect that the autograph “destroys the value” of the card.

Correct i collect the auto not the card

law,

you would rather have a 10 auto on an authentic grade card vs a psa 3 w/ just an authentic auto?

By far
Yes sir ...i am currently collecting auto 10 only.and then the best available card grade
But I look at the auto being a 10 first ....then whats the point of collecting autographs if its not perfect?

Interesting! And there are no wrong ways to collect...

Panama Mutiny (Formerly lawyer05)

Don't

Don't these look purdy