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1918-s SLQ Full Head or Not?

Kirk222Kirk222 Posts: 477 ✭✭✭✭
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-S-25c-NGC-MS63-FH-Standing-Liberty-Quarter-Popular-S-Mint/392760413474?hash=item5b72584d22:g:uEIAAOSw~15ektPo
I have looked at maybe 50 1918-s SLQs. It is so hard to find a Full Head in this date and Mint. Even in MS63, this one is hard to define. What do you think?

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not in my opinion.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No.

  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Niet! Not even a hint of an ear hole!

  • Klif50Klif50 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭✭

    Nope, not even close

  • CommencentsCommencents Posts: 349 ✭✭✭

    Doesn't appear FH but the photo's are washed. A better photo might show a complete hairline which would make it "Borderline"
    One can always ask the seller for one!

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2020 6:52PM

    The PCGS definition:

    https://www.pcgs.com/grades/#gradeFH

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  • superpsychmdsuperpsychmd Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭

    Nah

  • 1946Hamm1946Hamm Posts: 783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is the sister coin struck from the same die that is better struck.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Overexposed photos make a call impossible since overexposure tends to hide fine details on coins. Pass.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no and no

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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The short answer is NO.

    The long answer is Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will join the consensus...No.....Or to quote the carnival barker..."Close, but no cigar!!" Cheers, RickO

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Know the no....

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  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭✭

    I bet tilting that coin even the slightest will make that head detail appear much different.

    Derek

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2020 11:35AM

    Yes. The absolute minimum head needed.....on the right day at the TPG. Other days it won't make it. These 88-90% "sight unseen trading" full heads may not fit the majority rule of what is desired for a FH in their collection. I submitted numerous times to both TPG's a MS66 1924 SLQ with identical head detail when grading standards were stricter. The hairline edge line was barely visible...if at all....exactly like this one. Both services gave the coin a FH at least one time, and withheld it from FH as well on repeat submissions. The grade of the coin varied from 65 to 66.

    This 18-s will should sell for a large discount to what a solid FH will bring. PCGS and NGC may not have the same FH standards. And if a FH on the 18-s is so hard to find, that's another bit of potential leeway for assigning a FH to an "almost there" coin....especially in grades of 63 and lower.

    It's close to impossible to have one coin or photo represent "THE" standard for all FH's. No two are alike - especially when the coin's entire strike is brought into play. Note that the FH SLQ photo in the old PCGS grading guide doesn't have a clearly rounded ear hole....more a horizontal slice....and the other hair, hairline, and sprig detail is sort "mushy" and faint. And the other photo showing a "just missed" SLQ is stronger in all respects than the "FH photo" except for the ear hole area which is flat with a horiz slice for the ear. In summary, there are strong FH's that everyone can agree on. And then there are the lesser ones....which bring about disagreement. In the end it's about market pricing the coin....via the grade. Ideally, the combination of grade + FH/no FH helps to value the coin the better - even if at times the grade or strike status is "stretched" in either direction to try and "value" the coin via the assigned grade/strike.

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would say no.

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2020 12:23PM

    Here's a 26-D MS66 FH CAC that sold for $88K. I would submit that hairline is a bit soft and flattish for an all there FH. And the current PCGS FH photo that MS70 posted above doesn't have a hairline in front of the ear. Yet you can find non FH's that do have that detail. Lots of permutations in "FH" striking. It's easy to make a determination when everything is strongly struck up....which isn't so common for the teens and early to mid 1920's....especially D and S mints.

    https://coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/finest-known-1926-d-standing-liberty-quarter-dollar-lives-up-to-hype.html

    NGC's FH photo has the sharpest hairline of any of these grading standards. Obviously, the 18-s above isn't at this level.

    https://coinweek.com/education/coin-grading/standing-liberty-quarters-what-is-the-full-head-designation/

    This web site (OriginalSkinCoins) lists grading standards. Their Photo of a FH coin is not as detailed as the OP's coin.

    https://originalskincoins.com/blogs/news/coin-collecting-101-the-u-s-standing-liberty-quarter

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I certainly wouldn't pay FH money for that '26-D. Or, for that matter ANY FH without a corresponding full shield.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably not but good head definition would suit me just fine especially considering the enormous price jumps these show for a full head. And especially if they don't really display a full head in spite of such a designation.

  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "The obverse of the Standing Liberty Quarter features Liberty portrayed similar to a Greek goddess, holding a shield in one hand and an olive branch in the other. Her head, near the top of the coin, splits the word LIBERTY. NGC uses the Full Head (FH) designation for coins where Liberty's head appears well-struck, as follows:

    three leaves in Liberty’s hair must be totally visible;
the hairline along Liberty’s brow must be complete;
the ear indentation must be evident."

    https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6847/learn-grading-quarters/

    I believe that all three NGC requirements are met with this coin...according to NGC.

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The shield is more important to me than the head detail!

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @koynekwest said:
    I certainly wouldn't pay FH money for that '26-D. Or, for that matter ANY FH without a corresponding full shield.

    I agree.......even if I had deep pockets I would not pay 88K for that 26-D. It would have to be ALL there including the complete lines in the hair.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That hairline is obliterated from the eyebrow to the ear hole. Just sayin’.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    That hairline is obliterated from the eyebrow to the ear hole. Just sayin’.

    It might be as faint as can be....but it sure isn't obliterated. The NGC standards don't say anything about it being strong. Visible....complete....evident are the terms they use. Much the same way that some Split Band Mercs have a "barely visible" center line w/o barely any depth to it. It all comes out in the pricing though.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The definition of a full head sure has changed> @roadrunner said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    That hairline is obliterated from the eyebrow to the ear hole. Just sayin’.

    It might be as faint as can be....but it sure isn't obliterated. The NGC standards don't say anything about it being strong. Visible....complete....evident are the terms they use. Much the same way that some Split Band Mercs have a "barely visible" center line w/o barely any depth to it. It all comes out in the pricing though.

    The definition of a full head sure has changed.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roadrunner said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    That hairline is obliterated from the eyebrow to the ear hole. Just sayin’.

    It might be as faint as can be....but it sure isn't obliterated. The NGC standards don't say anything about it being strong. Visible....complete....evident are the terms they use. Much the same way that some Split Band Mercs have a "barely visible" center line w/o barely any depth to it. It all comes out in the pricing though.

    I enlarged that head to the size of a drink coaster on my IPad. I’ll stand by my assessment.

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 7:27PM

    @bolivarshagnasty said:

    @roadrunner said:

    @bolivarshagnasty said:
    That hairline is obliterated from the eyebrow to the ear hole. Just sayin’.

    It might be as faint as can be....but it sure isn't obliterated. The NGC standards don't say anything about it being strong. Visible....complete....evident are the terms they use. Much the same way that some Split Band Mercs have a "barely visible" center line w/o barely any depth to it. It all comes out in the pricing though.

    I enlarged that head to the size of a drink coaster on my IPad. I’ll stand by my assessment.

    The graders don't use a "drink coaster" magnifier which is unrealistic....usually just the naked eye. If it looks "complete" or "evident" in hand....it is. Under magnification those kinds of striking details only get murkier.....and harder to discern.

    Yes, many parts of grading have changed drastically over the years. And will probably continue to do so. A static grading market would solve the grading problem....and make less money for TPG's and dealers.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And as long as bidders/buyers continue to pay money for "full head" examples like this one this will continue.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, there is enough evidence for me.

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