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lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 13, 2020 1:11PM in U.S. Coin Forum

PCGS assigned the same grade to all of these bust halves. What grade is it?

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Here are slab shots of one. Thoughts? I have some, and some questions.

One is not all MS61's are "ugly or otherwise impaired coins that if they had a small touch of wear they would not likely grade AU58..." (a quote from another thread by a very well respected member and excellent grader). Many of us share this view.

Another is that some of these have obvious rub PCGS couldn't have missed. Technical AU's. Were they market graded? Why as 61's, a grade many of us run from? AU58+ seems a better fit.

Are low grade MS bust halves viewed differently by graders than, say, low grade MS Morgans?

Thanks for all the guesses, fellas!
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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+

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    CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+?

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    SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want to say 58+. 58 maybe +. Adding a + in GTG is playing long odds.

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    ilmcoinsilmcoins Posts: 525 ✭✭✭✭

    Yikes... I was thinking MS

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    KliaoKliao Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+?

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    However, they look almost 68, very nice!

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,056 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cool thread. I’ll go with 63.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2020 6:26PM

    58...I love them all.


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    msch1manmsch1man Posts: 809 ✭✭✭✭

    62

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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 5,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU58

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 58.

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    CommencentsCommencents Posts: 349 ✭✭✭

    62

    Like the 1823 double chin!

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    FullHornFullHorn Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2020 6:42PM

    64

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    1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,414 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 62.

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    spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think these are probably in the 58+ group you have Lance. But as we know, 58s can be 62s or 63s on any given day in the grading room, and the 28, 29, and 30, at least in your images, sure are looking MS......

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,153 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tough call, I’m going to err on the high side and say 62.

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    CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 33 looks so much better than the 23 which reminds me that I don’t know much about these. I must be one or two clicks too high.

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    pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow - never seen such a wide range in a GTG post. I'm feeling better about my total inability to ever get these right.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2020 7:22PM

    LOL! Lance, we all know what you collect! Nice ass group of coins!

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll say 63. If they're AU, you'll need to send them to me so I can study why. :)

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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While there are a couple I might go with AU-58....as a whole, I really think MS-(something). If they were Frankies, or Kennedys, I might go with the ever popular AU-62. But given the age of this series, and the quality of the coins....

    MS-63

    (I really want to say 64, but I want to pretend I'm a conservative grader). :blush:

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    abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS61

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    Klif50Klif50 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭✭

    63

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,378 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55,,,, but what do I know about Bust Halfs? Not much,,,,, :o

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I haven't read any guesses yet, but will state that I would be shocked if PCGS gave them all an AU grade. They are too nice for MS60-62, but not moose enough for MS64 or higher, so I will go with MS63.

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    TomBTomB Posts: 20,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By the way, thanks for the generous giveaway and I hope you pick my post!!! >:)

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+

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    BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 12, 2020 9:53PM

    Beautiful coins and outstanding photography. They’re not 60, 61, or 62s. That leaves 58+ and MS63 or possibly MS63....... possibly even 64, but I’d think they be a bit more lustrous. Forced to choose, I’d be in at MS63.

    Editted to add:

    I just look at these on my desktop monitor. I think I see actual wear on a couple, and therefore I'm changing my answer to 58+, which is a tempting guess anyhow, as I know you have many nice examples at that grade. AU63 sounds better, but I haven't actually seen that on any labels (yet).

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    BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭

    Agree with St. Feldini and TomB--63.

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Commencents said:

    62

    Like the 1823 double chin!

    Reminds me of one of my Aunts. :)

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    BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 8,052 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63.

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    crump41crump41 Posts: 119 ✭✭✭

    61

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking it's sort of a trick question because they all look ms63/64, but they may turn out to be au58.

    I'll go with my first gut reaction and say ms63.

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    DDRDDR Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put me in the 58 camp.

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW, Lance, is that a Large Letter 1830 Bust? Wow. Regardless of grade given by our hosts, those are a beautiful grouping of coins and truly show your taste completely, thanks for sharing.
    Jim


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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coins... I will guess MS62.... Though if I were grading them...They would range from 58 to 63....Cheers, RickO

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    oldUScoinsoldUScoins Posts: 234 ✭✭✭✭

    I'll go with MS-62.

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    JBNJBN Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Lovely half dollars.
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    LJenkins11LJenkins11 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. As always, excellent coins Lance thanks for sharing.
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    Bob13Bob13 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome + GOLD.

    Or, 63.

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    PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭✭

    Since we have to go with the lowest common denominator, I'll go with 58 and say you really have a great eye for conservatively graded coins.

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    SkyManSkyMan Posts: 9,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58+. Pretty coins!

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    1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

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    oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58

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    astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS-63 ... if you prefer an objective number.

    DANG! ... if you prefer a subjective response.

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    jayPemjayPem Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Put me in the trick question camp, and since all the numbers have been pretty much spoken for I'll guess 53....😅

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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the 58 camp.

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