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1845 CA RG 8 reales went for big bucks on eBay today

bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Over $3000

Purchased raw by somebody who know something

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  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Link? I can’t find it

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  • ncsuwolf74ncsuwolf74 Posts: 116 ✭✭✭

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mexico-Chihuahua-Silver-Coin-No-Reserve-1845-5-RG-1-Reales-BU-Gem-Beautiful-Nice-/313064272402?hash=item48e415b212:g:MP8AAOSwA9tepJ25&nma=true&si=yJb7A6%2BATDxsNMugjweaTqdWjlM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You mean 1 Real


    8 Reales Madness Collection
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TwoKopeiki said:
    You mean 1 Real

    Your right 😎

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, wonder what made it that special. Clearly nice, the reverse looks quite a bit different than later issues.

    Latin American Collection

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    According to the seller "Ex Hubbard" on each listing with a Hubbard envelope that I could find.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2020 8:31PM

    A very few of them may have come from him years ago. Replaced in his collection by better ones.

    What does that mean? Nothing.

    Edited to add: Buy the coin, not the envelope.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    @bidask said:

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

    And if you compare the writing on the envelopes, they don't match.

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrEureka said:

    @pruebas said:

    @bidask said:

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

    And if you compare the writing on the envelopes, they don't match.

    However the coins with the Hubbard flips have a Hubbard ‘look’ ’to them
    I say this based on the similar quality from the Mexican collection auction .
    Just speculating.

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:
    Over $3000

    Purchased raw by somebody who know something

    Yes, like it’s an extreme rarity in grade. Good buy!

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

    The title of the other listings says ex Hubbard. The seller claims at least. I know nothing :#
    But you are right, this listing makes no reference to provenance.

  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bidask said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @pruebas said:

    @bidask said:

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

    And if you compare the writing on the envelopes, they don't match.

    However the coins with the Hubbard flips have a Hubbard ‘look’ ’to them
    I say this based on the similar quality from the Mexican collection auction .
    Just speculating.

    I hope you don’t speculate when managing other people’s money.... >:)

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:

    @bidask said:

    @MrEureka said:

    @pruebas said:

    @bidask said:

    @pruebas said:

    @MrEureka said:
    Nice to see some more Hubbard coins hit the market!

    According to the seller, that’s not the case.

    So your saying the coins in the flips with Hubbard is not accurate ?

    How so ?

    Where was it said ON THIS LISTING that was the case?

    And if you compare the writing on the envelopes, they don't match.

    However the coins with the Hubbard flips have a Hubbard ‘look’ ’to them
    I say this based on the similar quality from the Mexican collection auction .
    Just speculating.

    I hope you don’t speculate when managing other people’s money.... >:)

    All the time 😎

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2020 9:03PM

    I bought the 1857 ca jg 8 reales off eBay today from the same collection
    Can someone post a link

    I think it was a ex Hubbard coin

    Edited to add

    It was NOT ex Hubbard

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    I give away money. I collect money.
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  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 2, 2020 9:08PM

    @bidask the only 1857 sold today from that seller that i can see is a Chihuahua eight reales for 355, no Hubbard envelope.

    There is an 1853 C Ce sold for about 202 with a Hubbard envelope.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Abuelo said:
    @bidask the only 1857 sold today from that seller that i can see is a Chihuahua eight reales for 355, no Hubbard envelope.

    Your right

    That is the coin I bought :p

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So I checked the Novotny collection and he didn't even have a 1845-CaRG Real when his collection was auctioned. That's how rare it is.

    And his 1845-CaRG 1/2R was a VG (so low that Stacks didn't slab it) and it sold for $885 vs. the 1/2R in tonight's ebay auction that sold for $1286 that looked to be a FINE Details coin.

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 3, 2020 6:27AM

    Well, for the real, there are 4 in the NGC census. For the half, only 1. None at PCGS.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I bought the 1853 c ce ( ex hubbard ), 52 c ce , and 1860/9 c ce 8 reales ....could someone please post links ?

    They looked pretty nice.

    Thank you! :)

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • ncsuwolf74ncsuwolf74 Posts: 116 ✭✭✭

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mexico-Culiacan-Silver-Coin-No-Reserve-1852-CE-8-Reales-BU-Details-Beautiful/313065094715?hash=item48e4223e3b:g:f2QAAOSw3axepdxS

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mexico-Culiacan-Silver-Coin-No-Reserve-1853-CE-8-Reales-BU-Details-Ex-Hubbard-/313065094051?hash=item48e4223ba3:g:DNoAAOSwyyJepdu7&nma=true&si=yJb7A6%2BATDxsNMugjweaTqdWjlM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mexico-Culiacan-Silver-Coin-No-Reserve-1860-59-CE-8-Reales-BU-Details-Beautiful-/283859896367?hash=item42175e482f:g:z4IAAOSwQHFepd8w&nma=true&si=yJb7A6%2BATDxsNMugjweaTqdWjlM%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose."

    Jim Elliot

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks ncsuwolf74!

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • realeswatcherrealeswatcher Posts: 415 ✭✭✭

    Looking at the few other auctioned examples of 1845Ca 1/2 and 1 Real pieces, these two went for not insane prices compared to some of the other pieces in this collection. I find Cap & Ray minors prices to be kind of curious... kind of vary all over the place (not enough data points?).

    The 1833Ca 2R went strongly, I thought. Very nice piece of a tough but not "rare" coin.

    I think the half real actually makes VF detail-wise... and the 1R completely blows the XF40 Stack's piece from last year out of the water. Note that the one piece above that XF40 in the aforementioned NGC census is a 65!! I think this piece in question is AU+ at least with OK-looking surfaces from a distance.

    Any notable examples from Mexico auctions?

    I was going to nibble in the low 400s on that 1852C 8R... again, quite envelope crusty, but evenly so.

    bidask, did you notice the old cut across the neck and wing on the 1860/59?

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I did not notice that old cut !

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2020 4:53PM

    You are going to be very disappointed with how these coins grade. They are all problem coins and will stand out as outliers in your nice collection.

    Why not stick with graded coins?

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2020 9:14PM

    I guess @pruebas one always hopes to find a diamond in the rough.

  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,017 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    You are going to be very disappointed with how these coins grade. They are all problem coins and will stand out as outliers in your nice collection.

    Why not stick with graded coins?

    Maybe but hope not

    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You have to take chances sometime I suppose...and if it turns out poorly you can always relist it on eBay with the story of how your uncle found it in the walls of an old Spanish fort that he was renovating like everyone else does.

    Kidding, hope it turns out well for you. I've taken my fair share of chances and they tend to work on more often than they fail. There have been a few failures though, just don't make them big enough to really hurt unless the upside is worth it.

    Latin American Collection

  • AbueloAbuelo Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @Boosibri , I never read before the Spanish fort story, but that goes straight to my next listing. :D

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Abuelo said:
    Thanks @Boosibri , I never read before the Spanish fort story, but that goes straight to my next listing. :D

    The coin comes in a flip with the words "Santa Anna" on it. Not sure what that means.... you grade it, no returns.

    Latin American Collection

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