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1964P PCGS MS68 Kennedy pop2/0

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  • LMAO Braddick...

    I will try
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • MarkMark Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mitch:

    You are (were?) a lawyer. So, what's you casual opinion about PCGS's claim that everyone in the thread of sales is liable EXCEPT PCGS? Do you think this claim would hold up? By the way, I'm not asking for you to devote serious thought to this question--just your off the cuff opinion because I know a few of your quick thoughts are more likely to be legally correct than any quantity of my "deep" thoughts.

    Mark
    Mark


  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Mitch: You are (were?) a lawyer. So, what's you casual opinion about PCGS's claim that everyone in the thread of sales is liable EXCEPT PCGS? Do you think this claim would hold up? By the way, I'm not asking for you to devote serious thought to this question--just your off the cuff opinion because I know a few of your quick thoughts are more likely to be legally correct than any quantity of my "deep" thoughts. Mark >>



    Mark, you realize you just complimented Mitch.
    I was under the impression that is not allowed on this forum...

    peacockcoins

  • wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mark: It would not be fair (to anyone) for me to comment here on my impressions of that particular policy. What I can say is that in my personal dealings with PCGS, they have conducted themselves in a professional manner.

    Also, put aside the "question of law" for the moment - think about the "question of fact" involved. As was mentioned in the post, is the issue one of confusing SMS with non-SMS, cameo proof with typical BU or any of a myriad of possible scenarios. As was mentioned on this thread, this mistake could be viewed as one even a casual collector might be able to detect, as compared to say arguing whether a 1965 quarter was SMS or regular issue, which even experts often can't seem to agree on. See the distinction. I suspect PCGS applies "common sense" to any position they might take as well on the subject. image Wondercoin
    Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.


  • << <i>I have a 1964D PCGS MS67 Kennedy. It is blast white with full mint luster and not a mark visible to the naked eye (looks perfect to me) but there is no way it could ever be mistaken as a proof. 1964 was a silver issue and only had MS and Proof strikes, you can definitely tell the difference between the two. >>




    If it is truly flawless, what is the reason for "only" an ms67? weak strike? die cracks? die polishing?
    Say no to ACG!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • saynotoACG,

    Your very good question intrigued me. So I went and took it out of the safe to look at it (its been awhile). The only thing I see that kept it out of a MS68 holder is a small tic behind the ear in Kennedy's hair. You have to really look to see it. If it was in a NGC holder I think it would have a shot at MS68.

    Thanks I guess I overstated it a little.
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • Bill,

    A tiny tic shouldn't be enough. Look at the tail feathers on the eagle and check for definition there. PCGS is very strict on strike on the early Kennedy's.
    Keith ™

  • I have decided I am not going to pick my coin apart. It has a 21/0 pop and is high end for the grade. The eye appeal is incredible and I love it. I am sure all of you would to if you could see it.

    Its like taking a loupe and looking for flaws on your girlfriends beautiful soft satin like skin. Not for me I love this one to much.

    I plan on photographing my entire collection soon, when I do I will post a pic for all to see.
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025
    Bill,

    The real pop is probably half of that number. This is a issue that has been cracked out quite a bit hoping for the magical 68's. Same for the populations on the 1965-1970 piece trying for 67's.
    Keith ™

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I've now had several eMails back and forth with this seller, and will be bidding in at least one of his auctions, if not more - and, I am perfectly comfortable doing so.

    I would suggest that anyone who is interested in VERY high grade material, that doesn't often come up, should take a serious look at his listings.

    Russ, NCNE
  • Hi Bill, This is Teetelli from Ebay… You know the guy you have been bashing around quite a bit. I have to tell you I am quite puzzled by your vicious and malicious statements, and quite frankly I find them distasteful, inexcusable and inappropriate. In fact what I find particularly interesting is that you have taken such a hostile course and direction against me, and without even inquiring or qualifying your assertions. I never heard from you, received any emails from you… tell me Bill – are or were you trying to conduct a Salem Witch Hunt here???

    Very simply, I have collected a nice amount of high-end PCGS DCAM pieces over the years, when they were readily available. But despite the fact, that these offerings may be overwhelming to you, the fact remains that this represents a very small and insignificant portion of my collection, that I have decided to dispense with. In fact I have done millions of dollars in business with many well noted people in the industry, like Hannes Tulving of the Tulving Company, or Paul Simonetti of Heritage and the like. In fact, many of these modern issues were acquired from R&I Coin, who, as being you are so knowledgeable, is a prominent dealer in this area of the business.

    With respect to the MS68, well I really don’t deal with business strikes, and I simply relayed what the PCGS label described the coin to be. When several Ebayers pointed out to me that PCGS had made an error, what did I do??? I immediately withdrew the auction. I think that was responsible and appropriate. What did you do, You Libeled me, Slandered me, and continued your deleterious campaign against me in a public forum and furthermore attempted to cast a shadow of doubt over the integrity of the remainder of my offerings??? Why??? You did not even have the decency to even inquire of me directly, like others did.

    Obviously you are an obnoxious ignorant and narrow-minded pampas person. (I would prefer to sate that differently – but I will not lower myself to your playing field).

    I on the other hand Bill, am real – very real – and my PCGS offerings are very real as well, and unlike you – many collectors will have the foresight to take advantage of opportunities here, to develop their numismatic endeavors further.

    As far as you are concerned Bill, you are a non-event at this point, be careful on what you state publicly, it may come back and bite you in the ---.

    If anyone has any issues or concerns, please feel free to use the email link on Ebay, I would be more than happy to address any questions or concerns you may have.
  • Keith,

    I just wanted to take the moment to thank you for your kind words and rationale. Your efforts to keep things sensible are very much appreciated, despite people such as Bill.

    Once again, my kindest thanks.


    (I would have replied sooner to this thread, but I was awaiting my passwords)
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,731 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is a pretty much known fact that PCGS cannot tell the difference between a proof and Mint State. Even when they do, they will not correct it after the fact. Why should Kennedies be any different?
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Does PCGS pay for postage both ways to fix their errors?
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • One of the Emails I received when I had the 68 up was froma fellow at PCGS named Montgomery, he indicated to me that they would pay the postage both ways on an error correction.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    That would be Rick he'll take care of you he took care of a MS69 SMS 1998 Kennedy with fingerprints for me.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • I believe that was his first name... Well, I'll get the package out to him in the next week or two.
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