1944 D/S FS-511 Lincoln Wheat Cent!
coindude88
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Having trouble taking pictures of my high grade full GEM RED 1944 D/S FS-511 variety....
Can you guys see the 2 mint marks and then the loop of the "S" inside the "D" underneath at all?!
Thanks.
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don't see it, but I know nothing
I can see an atom there.
BHNC #203
This is what OMM01 looks like.
I see what your looking at but I don't think its a real fs-511.
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The upper inner loop of the D is not shaped like the OMM example provided by koynekwest. Looks like a no go this time.
Here is a closeup of the variety. The first image is of a Stage A, or early die state and the second image is of a Stage B, or mid-die state, where the "S" is less clear. Images are courtesy of CONECA.
Here's the other true variety
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.It does not look like the CONECA images... I do see some surface disturbance, but not sure it is the variety. Cheers, RickO
My pictures are just that bad, haha. Finally got some identifiable ones. Check em'. Case closed. Cha-ching!
All I can tell ya, then, is to send it in for attribution and slabbing. Prove us all wrong.
Be sure to include your reference images. Good luck. Peace Roy
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Case closed. Every variety enthusiast that responded is wrong.
Thanks for the post! I am mostly to blame though with my HORRENDOUS coin photography skills.
** Luckily my cherrypicking skills are on the complete other end of the talent spectrum.
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Paid $2.11 for this coin that PCGS price guide values somewhere between $1,500--$2,000 depending on assigned grade of course. (Either a MS64RD or MS65RD in my opinion)
Also, this was not even the most valuable coin I cherrypicked this week! I'm having one of the luckiest cherrypicking streaks of all time I'm pretty sure. If I told you everything I hunted in this 1 single week alone you wouldn't even believe me, and I wouldn't blame you one bit. Lots of good luck involved too.
Be sure to let us know the results when you get it slabbed. You ARE getting it slabbed, right? I'd recommend our host.
You better believe it!
BTW-what is the other "biggie" you cherried this week?
Here is what the variety looks like in a real world cherrypicked example. The 44 D/S FS-01-511
The next pic shows a circulated, cherrypicked 44D/D FS-01-507. This can be confused with the OMM in a worn example.
coindude88, I have to agree with the others on this post.... does not appear to be the D/S you are hoping for. BUT if you are sure, then like others have mentioned, then send it in for grading. Should be worth it for a $1500 to $2000 coin, and you will likely then to be able to easily sell it (assuming you are correct that it is a D/S).
I, too, am curious on your other major finds you have found this week. Post them!
This is a neat thread. Lots of info, pics, and conjecture.
Pete
Not sure if people are cleaning out and posting fresher material because of the various stay home orders, but I have also seen some nice picks over the past couple of weeks. One monster doesn't close for a couple of days and based on the bidding so far, I am not the only person to spot it. I will be sure to share (win or lose) when the auction ends.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Hi Sean. By you posting, it instantly reminded me of two things. One. Joe Ridzy. In which, You and me know closely. Then two, I remember what he once told me. Pertaining to the OP's thread. He said, " when we look through our loupe at a certain coin/coins, many times we see things we "want" to see rather than actually being there!" This is something to think about when we try to cherry pick.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Mintmark position is wrong.
Not the variety you think it is.
Sorry.
You guys are wrong and I don't blame you one bit, my first set of pictures is beyond bad!!! Here's some better newer ones I just took for ya....
If you have to wonder about it ... it isn't important.
You are not going to have the variety unless it matches the early and late die stages pictured above. The shape of your "D" is nowhere close to that of the known examples. The characteristics of the overdate does not change. It looks exactly as the pictures shown. We see anomalies around mintmarks and dates often. Could be caused by metal flow, die chip, or post mint damage.
edited to add...……. Still in doubt? Pony up the cash and send it in to our host. It will cost you around 40 bucks for a professional opinion.
This is exactly what I tell my wife when she asks me to take the garbage out. 😁
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I don't think it's the D/S. In my experience (over 30 years cherrypicking varieties, including 7 years at ANACS providing opinions at shows on coins brought to the table), when you have a strong variety such as 1944 D/S die 1, you look at it and you know that's what it is. If you have to tilt it in the light, add super magnification, or study it for hours, you're just convincing yourself that's what it is.
I've owned/handled a number of examples of this variety, and I can tell you that when you find one there is no doubt that's what it is- it is a very strong, easy to see variety and should be plainly visible in your photos, even if your example is a later die state.
Based on the shape of the D, which to me indicates it may actually be an RPM, I recommend you look at Die 5 or Die 8 on Variety Vista, as these are often mistaken for or sold as D/S Die 1.
It's a FS-511. My pictures are just that bad and overexposed making the part of the "S" inside the upper right part of the "D" look like there's nothing there.....making the mintmark opening look bigger.
Here's another pic.
And if you're so knowledgeable on this variety.....can you tell me the difference between the FS-511 D/S, and the NEW FS-511 D/S WEAK???? I've seen PCGS attribute a couple specimens as weak.....and the PCGS price guide for the WEAK designation is worth even more than a regular rare 1944 D/S! Any enlightenment I appreciate.
Yes, I see in Coinfacts that PCGS has attributed some as weak, but there are no photos to compare your coin to. CONECA does not list a 'weak' variety, only a later die state which I can only guess would be what PCGS is calling weak. What both stages on Variety Vista show is a very strong (almost as strong as the D itself), triangular point coming off the left top of the 'D', and I'm just not seeing it on your coin.
I really hope I'm wrong, and am hoping to see you post the slab with the D/S attributed when you get it back. You posted the coin here for feedback and you got it, so like @koynekwest said, send it in and prove us all wrong.
The differing Mint mark position seals the deal-it's NOT a D over S OMM number 1 or number two for that matter. That should be the end of this discussion. If you don't believe us send it in for attribution and slabbing.
@coindude88 , you came here looking for confirmation of what you think, the experts have told you their opinions biased on your photos. If you still disagree then you should send it in for grading and variety attribution; arguing with those experts on this chat board only makes you look bad. Please update this thread once you have your grading results, it will be most enlightening to all.
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Check out this "real world cherrypicked example" of the 1944-D D/S FS-511 in MS65-66RD...in an earlier die state......worth a couple thousand dollars.
The latest addition to my coronavirus cherrypick terror I've been on...........
Is it time to use the term
"numismatic pareidolia"
yet?
for PCGS. A 49+-Year PNG Member...A full numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022
This any better?
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Right after his initial post
Here's some $2,000+ pareidolia for you. Hahaha.
Did you get your other coin back from PCGS? Results?
I see RPM-13, based on the bottom photo in your last image post: