Have you ever noticed in news stories about people who die mountain-climbing or sky-diving or bridge-jumping or wild-animal-taming . . . . there's always the friend or family member who says, "He died doing what he loves."
There could be a lot of that if the ANA holds its convention in August 2020 (assuming anyone shows up).
Think of the demographics, the median age, of our hobby community.
Better to stay at home that month . . . read books, blogs, journals, and newsletters . . . study and catalog your coins, tokens, medals, and paper money . . . write an article or two . . . participate in eBay and other online auction venues . . . learn how to make YouTube videos so you can share your collection with others . . .
@fishteeth said:
I just hope my dental offices are allowed to open by then. If not buying coins will be the last thing on my mind for a very long time
Agree, not much is happening while my shops are closed. I always have to pass on attending Summer ANA anyway, because we are tattooing Sturgis Bike Week at Black Hills Harley Davidson for 20+ days. It’s always a big deal to us and very grateful for the opportunity each year. Half to 3/4 of a million people descend on the Black Hills in July and August for Bike Week. The Dealer pulls 12-15k people a day at the awesome, ever expanding and growing Rally at Exit 55. 80th Sturgis this year. Always high numbers predicted for anniversary years. I’m thinking that if the plug isn’t already pulled, it likely will be at some point. Outside a miracle, for me, the thought of being in a crowded street, packed building or convention hall with people from every corner of the globe is cringe worthy and I just don’t see it by early August. Several of my colleagues and friends are grappling with how this plays out. At this point, we’re simply hunkered down focusing on the bare essentials and what a basic personal business reboot might look like, much less a national and airline reboot before the big celebrations can be thought about.
I expect that coin shows will return fairly quickly when this crisis passes. People will want to get back to a normal life as soon as possible.
The unknown factor will be the economic impact of the crisis. Here in the Detroit area many people have apartment rent payments due now. Some landlords are being very generous but others are not. Then there is the issue of business location rent payments. Should business renters have to pay rent when their businesses have been ordered shut by governmental action? Look for this to be an issue of increasingly great interest as the shutdown drags on.
Sales of numismatic items and all other collectibles are going to be adversely affected by this. A certain percentage of collectors are going to be forced to sell into this market situation either due to the loss of their jobs or losses from the stock market. Common items are likely to take a real beating in the months to come.
Based on the nationwide (more or less) shutdown lasting through the end of June, I'm expecting a good amount of business at the summer ANA, but probably neither good nor bad.
A beat up consumer as well as various businesses and industries being hurt, I'd imagine overall, when the shows start up again in 3 or 4 months, it'll be a situation of a loss of a good amount of spending customers, but also pent up demand, resulting in a 5 out of 10 for the show.
Pittsburg planned, a no go for me now.
June Long Beach show most dealers think will be closed
maybe even the sept one too.
I've seen the so called Gov. flattened out infection curve peak level stay at that level thru august at least.
it was flashed on TV very quickly.
suggestion: make the. Phoenix National money Show in March 2021 the WFOM delayed.
I have been reflecting on this... Shows? Done for the next several months, if lucky, until the fall. If you want coins you depend on dealers with websites, or taking your chances with dealers that do not but will take your call and have the time to go over what they have.
@MrEureka said:
Whether the next big show is the 2020 ANA or the 2028 FUN or whatever, the question remains. Will the supply of coins be awesomely full of many months or years of stockpiled newps, or will inventories be severely depleted, or will it be just another typical coin show?
Every single website that I have visited, or dealer that has emailed me, is "desperate" to buy coins, or so they say. Therefore I assume they are either depleted, or on their way.
I think coin shows will be closed at least through September if not throughout the rest of the year. Remember coin shows are planned weeks in advance. Based on increasing infection rates, I don't see any new shows any time soon.
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Really folks, we just need to get over the hump and see this trending downwards. Once it does, we can get out ahead of it with more widespread testing and targeted quarantine of specific infected individuals. At that point, many things will start to return to normal. Unfortunately, we're still several weeks away from that. Anyone realize how quickly we've gone from normal to this? The return to normal will be slower, but not so horrible as some are predicting. Businesses, restaurants, schools, and transportation will open before large social gatherings are a good idea. Probably each student and worker will get their temperature taken each morning.... stuff like that.
That said, I don't think coin shows will be a great idea for the summer. Fall/winter... maybe.
Oh, and there's no guarantee we'll have an effective vaccine. Various coronaviruses have been with us for a VERY long time and they're responsible for many infections that we refer to as a "common cold". In our lifetimes modern medicine has had zero success with preventing those.
Regardless, the coin hobby will not be going anywhere. Everyone on here and collectors across the world love collecting coins. All that's going to happen is a change (possibly permanent?) in the way business is done. For this year, online buying and selling will be the norm, and the inability to have coin shows for months, or perhaps this year, will not kill the hobby at all.
Coin shows have been mostly wholesale events for the longest time anyway, and aren't all that essential in my opinion (although they're fun, and certainly very useful events for dealers, even if collectors mostly avoid them it seems.) Collectors will do what they've mostly been doing for the last decade or more, which is buy primarily online. Dealers are the ones who will have to work on doing more "wholesale" business away from coin shows, and that's the real change.
The planning for this convention was not made with this" Virus" in mind it was planned years ago the ANA must wait for the Convention Center to say if anything will be held there or not they would have to pay for the center if they decided to cancel the "Show" but if the Center said no shows then they would not have to pay. Let us all wait and see what happens and how quickly things turn around, Pray that all of you are Safe!
It's difficult to speculate what will happen in August. The curve may have really flattened by then. Only time will tell. if this is the case and the convention is still being held, then I will attend.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
2020 Summer Seminar canceled by the host campus Colorado College a few days ago.
My $ 850 tuition is saved, I think I will buy something at some point, as usual, its what I do.
I haven't taken an ANA class since 1993 or 94. Every year I buy things with the funds saved.
I was really looking forward to 2020 class I picked out, its the closest I came to signing up in 26 years.
I remember when class was $250 a year and length was longer than 4 days.
One summer seminar
packed into one 7 day week
that everyone in the hobby attended = Good Times !!!!
Stay Safe !!!
Lindy
@MrEureka said:
Whether the next big show is the 2020 ANA or the 2028 FUN or whatever, the question remains. Will the supply of coins be awesomely full of many months or years of stockpiled newps, or will inventories be severely depleted, or will it be just another typical coin show?
I wonder about the redistribution of fresh inventory as the supply chain is disrupted by the shut down. Where do the fresh coins sit within the supply chain today?
@MrEureka said:
Whether the next big show is the 2020 ANA or the 2028 FUN or whatever, the question remains. Will the supply of coins be awesomely full of many months or years of stockpiled newps, or will inventories be severely depleted, or will it be just another typical coin show?
I wonder about the redistribution of fresh inventory as the supply chain is disrupted by the shut down. Where do the fresh coins sit within the supply chain today?
I don’t know where they are, but I expect them to be in an unusually small number of hands. I not quite ready to predict a feeding frenzy, but it’s certainly possible.
Andy Lustig
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
@MrEureka said:
Whether the next big show is the 2020 ANA or the 2028 FUN or whatever, the question remains. Will the supply of coins be awesomely full of many months or years of stockpiled newps, or will inventories be severely depleted, or will it be just another typical coin show?
No doubt there'll be mountains of fresh dreck just waiting to be whored around the bourse in a frothy double nuclear white hot frenzy.
@TomB your post regarding your fencing passion was not only enjoyed by but also very educational. Fencing is perhaps a college sport only in elite Eastern schools?
The only way that the ANA can proceed as planned is if they would quarantine all participants for two weeks before they are admitted to the bourse. I don't think that is going to happen.
But if ANA could get their act together, an online interactive web site (show) might be a good alternative to needless exposure to the COVID19 virus.
@OldIndianNutKase said: @TomB your post regarding your fencing passion was not only enjoyed by but also very educational. Fencing is perhaps a college sport only in elite Eastern schools?
The only way that the ANA can proceed as planned is if they would quarantine all participants for two weeks before they are admitted to the bourse. I don't think that is going to happen.
But if ANA could get their act together, an online interactive web site (show) might be a good alternative to needless exposure to the COVID19 virus.
OINK
Penn St, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Wayne State ( Detroit) all have storied fencing programs
m
Walker Proof Digital Album Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I forgot I posted about fencing in this thread! In the 1970s and 1980s there were more colleges and universities that had varsity fencing teams, but today only a relative handful remain. Seven of the eight Ivy League schools have a varsity team with the eighth having a club team. There are likely just under 50-varsity teams left in the sport.
I fenced for Rutgers as an undergrad and at the time they were one of the major players the sport. My current club is also where the Brown University team trains so I get to fence them regularly.
As hard as I try...I just can't picture you fencing!
@TomB said:
I forgot I posted about fencing in this thread! In the 1970s and 1980s there were more colleges and universities that had varsity fencing teams, but today only a relative handful remain. Seven of the eight Ivy League schools have a varsity team with the eighth having a club team. There are likely just under 50-varsity teams left in the sport.
I fenced for Rutgers as an undergrad and at the time they were one of the major players the sport. My current club is also where the Brown University team trains so I get to fence them regularly.
I really do it! Last November in New Jersey against a really good high school fencer (top) and last October in Vermont against a fencer from India (bottom)
@TomB said:
I really do it! Last November in New Jersey against a really good high school fencer (top) and last October in Vermont against a fencer from India (bottom)
The May issue of The Numismatist says " Alternate dates and locations for upcoming events have been considered ". I am still hopeful that the 2020 ANA Show will take place somewhere at some date before the year is out.
I just got my table confirmation for the BRNA show in Dalton,Ga this August. Still wondering if it will be a go.
@golden said:
The May issue of The Numismatist says " Alternate dates and locations for upcoming events have been considered ". I am still hopeful that the 2020 ANA Show will take place somewhere at some date before the year is out.
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Have you ever noticed in news stories about people who die mountain-climbing or sky-diving or bridge-jumping or wild-animal-taming . . . . there's always the friend or family member who says, "He died doing what he loves."
There could be a lot of that if the ANA holds its convention in August 2020 (assuming anyone shows up).
Think of the demographics, the median age, of our hobby community.
Better to stay at home that month . . . read books, blogs, journals, and newsletters . . . study and catalog your coins, tokens, medals, and paper money . . . write an article or two . . . participate in eBay and other online auction venues . . . learn how to make YouTube videos so you can share your collection with others . . .
I was looking forward to going to this show. Unlikely to happen in August however.
No coin shows makes me sad as that is basically how I add to my collection.
What happened to the hobby during the last recession? Repeat....and worse.
RMR: 'Wer, wenn ich schriee, hörte mich denn aus der Engel Ordnungen?'
CJ: 'No one!' [Ain't no angels in the coin biz]
Agree, not much is happening while my shops are closed. I always have to pass on attending Summer ANA anyway, because we are tattooing Sturgis Bike Week at Black Hills Harley Davidson for 20+ days. It’s always a big deal to us and very grateful for the opportunity each year. Half to 3/4 of a million people descend on the Black Hills in July and August for Bike Week. The Dealer pulls 12-15k people a day at the awesome, ever expanding and growing Rally at Exit 55. 80th Sturgis this year. Always high numbers predicted for anniversary years. I’m thinking that if the plug isn’t already pulled, it likely will be at some point. Outside a miracle, for me, the thought of being in a crowded street, packed building or convention hall with people from every corner of the globe is cringe worthy and I just don’t see it by early August. Several of my colleagues and friends are grappling with how this plays out. At this point, we’re simply hunkered down focusing on the bare essentials and what a basic personal business reboot might look like, much less a national and airline reboot before the big celebrations can be thought about.
I expect that coin shows will return fairly quickly when this crisis passes. People will want to get back to a normal life as soon as possible.
The unknown factor will be the economic impact of the crisis. Here in the Detroit area many people have apartment rent payments due now. Some landlords are being very generous but others are not. Then there is the issue of business location rent payments. Should business renters have to pay rent when their businesses have been ordered shut by governmental action? Look for this to be an issue of increasingly great interest as the shutdown drags on.
Sales of numismatic items and all other collectibles are going to be adversely affected by this. A certain percentage of collectors are going to be forced to sell into this market situation either due to the loss of their jobs or losses from the stock market. Common items are likely to take a real beating in the months to come.
Unlikely - there aren't a lot of venues for this show and most of them will have other, previously booked shows most weeks
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Based on the nationwide (more or less) shutdown lasting through the end of June, I'm expecting a good amount of business at the summer ANA, but probably neither good nor bad.
A beat up consumer as well as various businesses and industries being hurt, I'd imagine overall, when the shows start up again in 3 or 4 months, it'll be a situation of a loss of a good amount of spending customers, but also pent up demand, resulting in a 5 out of 10 for the show.
Pittsburg planned, a no go for me now.
June Long Beach show most dealers think will be closed
maybe even the sept one too.
I've seen the so called Gov. flattened out infection curve peak level stay at that level thru august at least.
it was flashed on TV very quickly.
suggestion: make the. Phoenix National money Show in March 2021 the WFOM delayed.
Sadly this event will not take place. Best hope for next national show will be FUN 2021
I have been reflecting on this... Shows? Done for the next several months, if lucky, until the fall. If you want coins you depend on dealers with websites, or taking your chances with dealers that do not but will take your call and have the time to go over what they have.
Every single website that I have visited, or dealer that has emailed me, is "desperate" to buy coins, or so they say. Therefore I assume they are either depleted, or on their way.
Very positive thinking might help???
I think coin shows will be closed at least through September if not throughout the rest of the year. Remember coin shows are planned weeks in advance. Based on increasing infection rates, I don't see any new shows any time soon.
+1
This hobby was practically on life support to begin with. This will probably finish it off at least through the short term.
I’m just hoping for summer period at this point
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Really folks, we just need to get over the hump and see this trending downwards. Once it does, we can get out ahead of it with more widespread testing and targeted quarantine of specific infected individuals. At that point, many things will start to return to normal. Unfortunately, we're still several weeks away from that. Anyone realize how quickly we've gone from normal to this? The return to normal will be slower, but not so horrible as some are predicting. Businesses, restaurants, schools, and transportation will open before large social gatherings are a good idea. Probably each student and worker will get their temperature taken each morning.... stuff like that.
That said, I don't think coin shows will be a great idea for the summer. Fall/winter... maybe.
Oh, and there's no guarantee we'll have an effective vaccine. Various coronaviruses have been with us for a VERY long time and they're responsible for many infections that we refer to as a "common cold". In our lifetimes modern medicine has had zero success with preventing those.
This thread is depressing me
Your hobby is supposed to be your therapy, not the reason you need it.
Regardless, the coin hobby will not be going anywhere. Everyone on here and collectors across the world love collecting coins. All that's going to happen is a change (possibly permanent?) in the way business is done. For this year, online buying and selling will be the norm, and the inability to have coin shows for months, or perhaps this year, will not kill the hobby at all.
Coin shows have been mostly wholesale events for the longest time anyway, and aren't all that essential in my opinion (although they're fun, and certainly very useful events for dealers, even if collectors mostly avoid them it seems.) Collectors will do what they've mostly been doing for the last decade or more, which is buy primarily online. Dealers are the ones who will have to work on doing more "wholesale" business away from coin shows, and that's the real change.
The planning for this convention was not made with this" Virus" in mind it was planned years ago the ANA must wait for the Convention Center to say if anything will be held there or not they would have to pay for the center if they decided to cancel the "Show" but if the Center said no shows then they would not have to pay. Let us all wait and see what happens and how quickly things turn around, Pray that all of you are Safe!
It's difficult to speculate what will happen in August. The curve may have really flattened by then. Only time will tell. if this is the case and the convention is still being held, then I will attend.
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
2020 Summer Seminar canceled by the host campus Colorado College a few days ago.
My $ 850 tuition is saved, I think I will buy something at some point, as usual, its what I do.
I haven't taken an ANA class since 1993 or 94. Every year I buy things with the funds saved.
I was really looking forward to 2020 class I picked out, its the closest I came to signing up in 26 years.
I remember when class was $250 a year and length was longer than 4 days.
One summer seminar
packed into one 7 day week
that everyone in the hobby attended = Good Times !!!!
Stay Safe !!!
Lindy
I wonder about the redistribution of fresh inventory as the supply chain is disrupted by the shut down. Where do the fresh coins sit within the supply chain today?
Latin American Collection
I don’t know where they are, but I expect them to be in an unusually small number of hands. I not quite ready to predict a feeding frenzy, but it’s certainly possible.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
US Rare Coin Investments
800-624-1870
No doubt there'll be mountains of fresh dreck just waiting to be whored around the bourse in a frothy double nuclear white hot frenzy.
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
I predict I won't be getting any Summer Seminar tokens
Which is why I'm soooo glad I pre-ordered my @dcarr covid 2020! Might be the first and only htt of this crazy year. It'll be here any day. Peace Roy
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Although I would kill for a Primanti Brothers sandwich right now. A beautiful mess of a meal.
BST: endeavor1967, synchr, kliao, Outhaul, Donttellthewife, U1Chicago, ajaan, mCarney1173, SurfinHi, MWallace, Sandman70gt, mustanggt, Pittstate03, Lazybones, Walkerguy21D, coinandcurrency242 , thebigeng, Collectorcoins, JimTyler, USMarine6, Elkevvo, Coll3ctor, Yorkshireman, CUKevin, ranshdow, CoinHunter4, bennybravo, Centsearcher, braddick, Windycity, ZoidMeister, mirabela, JJM, RichURich, Bullsitter, jmski52, LukeMarshall, coinsarefun, MichaelDixon, NickPatton, ProfLiz, Twobitcollector,Jesbroken oih82w8, DCW
..
'Primanti Brothers' sandwich huh?
Filed.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
How many want to do this for coins?
@TomB your post regarding your fencing passion was not only enjoyed by but also very educational. Fencing is perhaps a college sport only in elite Eastern schools?
The only way that the ANA can proceed as planned is if they would quarantine all participants for two weeks before they are admitted to the bourse. I don't think that is going to happen.
But if ANA could get their act together, an online interactive web site (show) might be a good alternative to needless exposure to the COVID19 virus.
OINK
Penn St, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Wayne State ( Detroit) all have storied fencing programs
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I forgot I posted about fencing in this thread! In the 1970s and 1980s there were more colleges and universities that had varsity fencing teams, but today only a relative handful remain. Seven of the eight Ivy League schools have a varsity team with the eighth having a club team. There are likely just under 50-varsity teams left in the sport.
I fenced for Rutgers as an undergrad and at the time they were one of the major players the sport. My current club is also where the Brown University team trains so I get to fence them regularly.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
As hard as I try...I just can't picture you fencing!
I really do it! Last November in New Jersey against a really good high school fencer (top) and last October in Vermont against a fencer from India (bottom)
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
LOL! I've seen your pictures...BUT!
My current club is also where the Brown University team trains so I get to fence them regularly.
Brown is my alma mater. Please go easy on them.
Lance.
Brown is mine, as well (PhD). The men's epee team members are all better than me, but we have a good time.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I graduated but I think the registrar screwed up.
Lance.
The May issue of The Numismatist says " Alternate dates and locations for upcoming events have been considered ". I am still hopeful that the 2020 ANA Show will take place somewhere at some date before the year is out.
I just got my table confirmation for the BRNA show in Dalton,Ga this August. Still wondering if it will be a go.