1959 ANA Beaver Medal eBay who won it?

jabba

This should not exist I’m wondering if it was the badge that someone ground the top off of? I thought I bid strong with a snip of $150.99 I was wrong 😡

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223950338694

Lakesammman

Interesting - wasn't me.

Zoins

Looks like you were the 3rd bidder at $174.99. Same bidder bid both.

It wasn’t me either.

Gluggo

Yes it was me.

jabba

There where Badges done that year and a money clip but no Medals according to the ANA archives if you look at the top of the reverse photo it doesn’t look right

coinsarefun

I didn’t but I tossed in a low bid early

Zoins

Here are the images so we still have them after the listing disappears.

I also put in a bid but didn't win. I did notice the top of the reverse looked strange, like a key fob attachment had been removed.

I have a key fob, money clip and some restrikes. The edge of the key fob does look smaller inside the fob attachment like shown here so this being a modified key fob isn't completely unfounded, but it appears this way on both sides whereas this piece only appears this way on one side. It would need to be examined in hand. I'll have to keep hunting for an original medal.

Namvet69

Kinda looks like it's in a holder wherein the image edge was photoshopped and trimmed. IMO. Peace Roy

EXOJUNKIE

I dropped what I thought was a decent bid but in the end didn’t come close on this one. A couple folks wanted it bad.

ricko

Very nice.... These beaver tokens, coins and medals are sure becoming popular....Cheers, RickO

tokenpro

That's a decent amount for an altered piece. The high bidder might think that it might be an unlisted H&K piece but the numismatic tie in should have squelched that thought. On the other hand several de-looped and de-fobbed medals such as HK-657 & HK-673 are already firmly entrenched in H&K. Some champions of this series swear that they have seen examples of these two that never had fobs or loops (with some in holder!) but I have yet to see one that hasn't been altered.

The winner of the current piece might just like gold facsimiles, the fur trader aspect of beaver money or might just be un-handy like myself and unable to create his own DIY round version.

jabba

Not sure what I would have done if I won and found it to be altered. Maybe it will pop up somewhere I would love to examine it see if it’s the real deal. Like I said the ANA doesn’t like a medal that year so if real it’s a discovery piece

Zoins

@jabba said:
so if real it’s a discovery piece

I'm rooting it for it to be real because I like discovery pieces.

Gluggo

Zion when it come in I will post some nice pictures for all to see. Still in transit.

It's on the way. Just hit Anchorage today that means I should get this tomorrow. Ohhh Boy!

Shipped
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Tracking details
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Apr 1, 2020
12:54pm
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Apr 1, 2020
12:54pm
Departed USPS Regional Destination Facility
ANCHORAGE AK DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Mar 31, 2020
12:00am
In Transit, Arriving On Time
Mar 30, 2020
10:48pm
Arrived at USPS Regional Origin Facility
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Mar 30, 2020
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Accepted at USPS Origin Facility
GOOSE CREEK, SC 29445
Mar 30, 2020
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oih82w8

@Gluggo said:
Yes it was me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a43kowi2ncI

jabba

Looking forward to seeing pics of the rims!

@Gluggo said:
Zion when it come in I will post some nice pictures for all to see. Still in transit.

It's on the way. Just hit Anchorage today that means I should get this tomorrow. Ohhh Boy!

Shipped
Step 1 - Completed - Shipped Mon, Mar 30Mon, Mar 30
In transit

Tracking details
USPS tracking #940010820549735644####

Apr 1, 2020
12:54pm
Arrived at USPS Regional Destination Facility
ANCHORAGE AK DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Apr 1, 2020
12:54pm
Departed USPS Regional Destination Facility
ANCHORAGE AK DISTRIBUTION CENTER
Mar 31, 2020
12:00am
In Transit, Arriving On Time
Mar 30, 2020
10:48pm
Arrived at USPS Regional Origin Facility
CHARLESTON SC PROCESSING CENTER
Mar 30, 2020
9:33pm
Accepted at USPS Origin Facility
GOOSE CREEK, SC 29445
Mar 30, 2020
4:33am
Tracking number provided

Zoins

Okay, so there were 8 bidders on this, of which 5 are on this forum and thread. Who knew the forum was 57% of the market!

coinsarefun

@Zoins said:
Okay, so there were 8 bidders on this, of which 5 are on this forum and thread. Who knew the forum was 57% of the market!

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. More often then one would think. Many times this forum can shift collecting one way or another. Many
may disagree but, I check on certain things and yep.....it does.

TurboSnail

@Gluggo said:
Yes it was me.

Congrat~

Zoins

@coinsarefun said:

@Zoins said:
Okay, so there were 8 bidders on this, of which 5 are on this forum and thread. Who knew the forum was 57% of the market!

.
.
. More often then one would think. Many times this forum can shift collecting one way or another. Many
may disagree but, I check on certain things and yep.....it does.

D'oh! We're 62.5% of the market!

I was looking at the wrong quick response on Google.

Gluggo

Okay here are some pictures I am at work and just used my work camera. But it appears to have some damage around the rim not sure what the correct diagnosis would be. I will let the proffessionals tell me.

Gluggo

Here is a few more under the camera stand.

tokenpro

@Gluggo said:
Here is a few more under the camera stand.

Removal marks above the S of Anniversary and the second T of State right where the fob shoulders would be. Was the damage mentioned in the auction?

Gluggo

Tokenpro this is what was written in the original sale description. Nothing metioning about any damage.

1959 Portland Oregon ANA Convention Coin Show Token. American Numismatic Association O.T. 1849 68th Annual Convention Portland, Oregon August 26-29, 1959. 100th Anniversary State Of Oregon 1859-1959 Oregon Exchange Company 10.D 20.G Native Gold D-Ten.D Facsimile Beaver Money Oregon Numismatic Society. Buyer pays $2.95 postage. South Carolina residents add 8% sales tax.

dcarr

I don't think here is much doubt that a loop was removed from this piece.
However, the pictures don't conclusively indicate if the loop was cut off BEFORE or AFTER it was struck.
The normal fobs would have been produced as looped blanks and then struck.
It would be possible to trim or grind a loop off prior to striking.

For those that have these medals, please post a picture of the edge at 6:00 (directly opposite the loop).

jabba

Bummer I was really hoping we had a test piece maybe a one off die testing. I didn’t look at the return policy hoping you can return it!

ChrisH821

@dcarr said:
I don't think here is much doubt that a loop was removed from this piece.
However, the pictures don't conclusively indicate if the loop was cut off BEFORE or AFTER it was struck.
The normal fobs would have been produced as looped blanks and then struck.
It would be possible to trim or grind a loop off prior to striking.

For those that have these medals, please post a picture of the edge at 6:00 (directly opposite the loop).

If you open the picture in a new tab it is huge. Excellent photo gluggo. This area where the grinding burr is above a struck area convinces me:

dcarr

@ChrisH821 said:

@dcarr said:
I don't think here is much doubt that a loop was removed from this piece.
However, the pictures don't conclusively indicate if the loop was cut off BEFORE or AFTER it was struck.
The normal fobs would have been produced as looped blanks and then struck.
It would be possible to trim or grind a loop off prior to striking.

For those that have these medals, please post a picture of the edge at 6:00 (directly opposite the loop).

If you open the picture in a new tab it is huge. Excellent photo gluggo. This area where the grinding burr is above a struck area convinces me:

Yes, that looks like grinding after it was struck.

Gluggo

So I can call this post modification/damage as the correct analysis buy all the Experts/ Knowledable/ Pro's here. I am impressed by everybody and thank you.

As for the Photo Mr. Ray I bought his #10 Camera Stand http://www.macrocoins.com/

and he was very helpful in showing me how to use my camera! But thank you!

NumisOxide

@Gluggo said:
So I can call this post modification/damage as the correct analysis buy all the Experts/ Knowledable/ Pro's here. I am impressed by everybody and thank you.

As for the Photo Mr. Ray I bought his #10 Camera Stand http://www.macrocoins.com/

and he was very helpful in showing me how to use my camera! But thank you!

Yes. Afraid so.

Gluggo

So an update I was able to send the damaged medal back for a full refund, which looks like it was made with a ribbon attached. But someone removed it and there was some damage. Thanks to everybody who gave their input.
Now the medal did come back for auction and well yes I had to re-bid it cause it just felt so good but at a much reduced bid.

Gluggo

Here is some actual information on the medal,

1959 ANA Portland Oregon Convention

Designed by William N. Worth

Bronze

1000 produced

http://www.coinpeople.com/topic/17201-ana-medals-and-badges/?tab=comments#comment-353587

A past auction not sure of the date of sale

coinsarefun

There was another that sold this past weekend, was that the same one or
was it another?

Gluggo

Coins are fun,
Same one I sent it back for a refund due to the damage and not as advertised by the seller. Won it back when they relished it. It felt so good in hand 🖐 Had to try and win it back but this time at 1/4 the original bid. Thank you to Steve Hayden for being a HONEST and TRUSTWORTHY SELLER!

jabba

@coinsarefun said:
There was another that sold this past weekend, was that the same one or
was it another?

It was the same the guy put in the listing about the post mint damage

jabba

This is the one I have there was also a money clip that I have not found any info on yet

coinsarefun

Thanks guys for the explainations