1995-D DOUBLE DIE LINCOLN CENT STRUCK INTENTIONALLY?
duck620
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ON JAN29,2020 PCGS WRITER JAIME HERNANDEZ WROTE THAT THE 1995-D DDO WAS STRUCK BY THE DENVER MINT AS
INTENTIONALLY FOR TRAINING EMPLOYEES WHAT A DDO LOOKS LIKE.
IF SO,MY QUESTION IS WHY DOSEN'T PCGS LABEL THESE "INTENTIONALLY STRUCK"?
THANKS......KEN.
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All coins are struck intentionally. You question?
Your example appears to match the known DDO for that date/mint. However, please post pics of full front and back as there are die markers that we cannot see from these pics.
bob
WOW ... Really nice pics!
The story about it being intentionally struck to teach mint employees about doubled dies really doesn't make much sense. I mean, in 1995, they already had like 100,000 stronger doubled dies struck in Philly! So why the need to teach them in Denver using a less significant example?
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Below are Jaime Hernandez' comments on the 1995-D 1c DDO FS-103 from Coinfacts. You can see them if you click on the "Brown" and "Red" tabs:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1995-d-1c-ddo-fs-103-041-bn/38109
Jaime Hernandez:
This is a very scarce variety.
Jaime Hernandez:
The 1995-D Doubled Die is much scarcer than the more popular 1995-P Doubled Die Lincoln cent. The 1995-D Doubled Die sells for hundreds of dollars even in circulated condition. As of 2011 possibly no more than 100 examples have been discovered.
Variety Attribution: The doubling is most prominent on the words IN GOD WE TRUST with the second doubling to the east. The D mint mark also has slight doubling since in 1995, the Mint was impressing the mint mark into the hub.
Here's the two pics AUandAG asked for
Maybe it is just me, but the obverse does not look right.
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I had not heard that story.... and seems odd that the mint would do that.... and then also issue the coins into circulation. Cheers, RickO
Thank you, I do not believe yours is the DDO. The die marker on the neck appears not to be there. I see no doubling on Lincoln's head. Might just be machine doubling.
bob
Here is a diagnostic for this DDO:
@AUandAG
The focus and lighting aren't very good on the zoomed out photo, so tiny marks like that may not show up.
From the original closeup photos, I would say there is no question - it is definitely the DDO.
I was able to copy that obverse and lighten it..I don't see it. Hope it is there and duck620 should be able to see if it is.
Because it really doesn't matter if it was or not.
This is legitimate. Markers from mid die state might not exist on earlier die state examples, which this appears to be. The first set of pictures is more than adequate.
That being said, how are there so few of these out there if the die made it to a middle die state?
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@AUandAG
The doubling on "IGWT" is an exact match for the variety:
http://varietyvista.com/01b LC Doubled Dies Vol 2/1995DDDO003.htm
Variety Vista shows a different die gouge on the neck, and another one under the "R" of "LIBERTY".
As @ChrisH821 mentioned, this particular coin may be an earlier die state example that lacks these marks, or they're just not showing up on the photo.
Here is a TV from my most recent sub. No die marker on the neck.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/39183915
https://images.pcgs.com/trueview/39183915
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Yea........nice pics.
Pete
The die gouges may have been acquired very early in the life of the die. Die damage of this kind does not necessarily occur at a constant rate.
The example on Variety Vista (with die gouges) was interpreted as EDS by James Wiles. So maybe there are no middle/late die states. Are there any known examples with noticeable die erosion and flow lines?
@AUandAG , @ChrisH821
It occurred to me that there is another possibility, and one which I think is more likely correct - that we haven't actually been looking at die gouges; they are all just plating blisters.
I just looked at the sold listings for this variety on Heritage (there are 4 examples that are nicely imaged). None of them have matching die gouges, as far as I can see - certainly not at the locations mentioned by AUandAG or Variety Vista - but there is an abundance of plating blisters!
Plating blisters will be different on every coin, so if that's what they are, they cannot be used as die markers.
An example with lots of plating blisters:
Image from: https://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-cents/small-cents/1995-d-1c-doubled-die-obverse-fs-103-ms67-obverse-prooflike-anacs-formerly-fs-041-from-the-kerry-rudin-collection/a/1271-7417.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515
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