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The sad decline of Jacoby Ellsbury and the massive money the Yankees lost on him

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2020 5:33AM

    I love it. The only players that really annoyed me when they signed with the Yankees were Boggs and Clemens

  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really enjoyed Clemens time in Boston.

  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Knoblauch didn't work out too good either.

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2020 7:21PM

    meh, they can afford it. He comes off the books next year. Suck it. :)

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  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wouldn't it be too bad if Gerrit Cole turned out t be a flop?

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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JoeBanzai said:
    Wouldn't it be too bad if Gerrit Cole turned out t be a flop?

    YAWN

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2020 8:03PM

    What decline? He had exactly one good year at the plate in Boston. That one year was a ridiculous outlier. Terrible contract from the jump.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that was a terrible contract. I have never blamed a player for switching teams if they are offered more money/better situation for their family. I mean, if any of us were offered a significant upgrade in situation, would it be bad or unloyal for us to switch positions?

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2020 7:35AM

    @craig44 said:
    that was a terrible contract. I have never blamed a player for switching teams if they are offered more money/better situation for their family. I mean, if any of us were offered a significant upgrade in situation, would it be bad or unloyal for us to switch positions?

    No but when you already have millions and are offered say a 10 million a year contract but refuse and go to a hated rival for 11 or 12 million a year it’s garbage and taints your legacy with your former team

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @craig44 said:
    that was a terrible contract. I have never blamed a player for switching teams if they are offered more money/better situation for their family. I mean, if any of us were offered a significant upgrade in situation, would it be bad or unloyal for us to switch positions?

    No but when you already have millions and are offered say a 10 million a year contract but refuse and go to a hated rival for 11 or 12 million a year it’s garbage and taints your legacy with your former team

    Who is to say how much is too much? people tend to spend to their income. think of players who need to cross picket lines because they have bills due. now, i am not saying Ellsbury was in any financial trouble, but he may have had future goals in mind. perhaps he had a family situation that new york was better suited for? who knows. Keep in mind how much money these guys pay in agent fees, personal trainers, taxes etc. It takes alot of money to be rich. not to even speak about the financial drain extended family members can have on a wealthy person.

    I dont think anyone should say someone has enough money and should not try to maximize their earnings during a very short professional career.

    the loyalty card can also swing both ways. Look at it in reverse. The Sox let a player leave for only an additional 1 to 2 million a year. they were not very loyal to their employee...

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  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    taxes are higher in New York , he probably netted less :D

  • hammer1hammer1 Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @softparade said:

    YAWN

    YAWN to the whole thread.

    Bad contracts and flops are a dime a dozen.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,393 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hammer1 said:

    @softparade said:

    YAWN

    YAWN to the whole thread.

    Bad contracts and flops are a dime a dozen.

    That is an odd comment. If a thread bores you, why would you spend the time to comment on it?

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  • orioles93orioles93 Posts: 3,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Red Sox are losing plenty of money at the moment on Rusney Castillo.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 5,920 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    @craig44 said:
    that was a terrible contract. I have never blamed a player for switching teams if they are offered more money/better situation for their family. I mean, if any of us were offered a significant upgrade in situation, would it be bad or unloyal for us to switch positions?

    No but when you already have millions and are offered say a 10 million a year contract but refuse and go to a hated rival for 11 or 12 million a year it’s garbage and taints your legacy with your former team

    To be fair, Jacoby's contract was for $21.85m a year, not 11 or 12. Your point remains the same though.

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 9, 2020 7:04PM

    .. what hammer time said

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,361 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @perkdog said:

    @craig44 said:
    that was a terrible contract. I have never blamed a player for switching teams if they are offered more money/better situation for their family. I mean, if any of us were offered a significant upgrade in situation, would it be bad or unloyal for us to switch positions?

    No but when you already have millions and are offered say a 10 million a year contract but refuse and go to a hated rival for 11 or 12 million a year it’s garbage and taints your legacy with your former team

    Who is to say how much is too much? people tend to spend to their income. think of players who need to cross picket lines because they have bills due. now, i am not saying Ellsbury was in any financial trouble, but he may have had future goals in mind. perhaps he had a family situation that new york was better suited for? who knows. Keep in mind how much money these guys pay in agent fees, personal trainers, taxes etc. It takes alot of money to be rich. not to even speak about the financial drain extended family members can have on a wealthy person.

    I dont think anyone should say someone has enough money and should not try to maximize their earnings during a very short professional career.

    the loyalty card can also swing both ways. Look at it in reverse. The Sox let a player leave for only an additional 1 to 2 million a year. they were not very loyal to their employee...

    Good counter points

  • ScoobyDoo2ScoobyDoo2 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who is Jacoby Ellsbury?

  • bronco2078bronco2078 Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are they about to learn anything? Giving baseball players 7 8 10 year deals is insane . hundreds of millions of guaranteed dollars :D

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  • MikeyPMikeyP Posts: 986 ✭✭✭

    Jacoby Ellsbury never appeared to be upset about collecting a paycheck for doing nothing. Good riddance.

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    Plus everyone knows you don't name a kid so that both first and last names end in a Y , you just don't.

    Its stupid , its like you are singing the name

  • dennis07dennis07 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭

    Normally ML teams have insurance coverage on players on large long term contracts. The Yankees probably recouped 50-80% minus premiums of Ellsbury's contract for the times he was on the disabled (now injured) list.

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    No, not interested either.

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