Thoughts on this Seated Liberty Dollar?

Zoins

Here's a Seated Liberty Dollar that I've been following and thought looked nice. It sold before I could free up enough budget. It's still a good chunk of change so I figured I'd ask what the board members thought of it.

It's graded PCGS PR63 non-CAC. Any idea why it wouldn't have CACed?

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/37584781

MFeld

As you know, proof coins don’t usually allow for meaningful grade assessments based on images. The coin might have heavy hairlines that don’t show in the pictures.

Jimnight

From what I see ... I like it!

Aercus

Toning pattern is consistent with a dip and retone. Not a deal breaker but something to be aware of. Also a few major ticks on reverse and some scratches on liberty's leg. I would pass and find a better example.

291fifth

Looks like an old dip and more surface marks than I would like to see. The eye-appeal of proof coins deteriorates rapidly as the grade declines. This is because the mirror surfaces accent any marks.

Walkerguy21D

Are you certain it was tried at CAC and didn't pass?

If your budget is confining you PF63, you probably realize you need to accept some minor issues.
Find a piece that YOU can live with.
With that price spread to the next grade up, you can bet most of the 'strong' 63's are probably in 4 holders now.

Zoins

Here's the price charts now that it has been brought up:

https://www.pcgs.com/prices/detail/liberty-seated-dollar/29/grades-61-70/pr

ricko

That is a nice proof and - as MFeld said - proofs are difficult to grade from pictures....lighting etc.,....I accept the grade given by our hosts in this case due to some marks I can see on Liberty's legs...Price is an important consideration for most collectors, however, each collector must also live with their decisions....at least for a while Cheers, RickO

Zoins

Here are the top pops:

1860 Seated Liberty Dollar - PCGS PR66 POP 10/0 CAC - Hansen

Queller Family Collection - Heritage 4/2008:2157, $27,600 - Eugene H. Gardner Collection, Part III - Heritage 5/2015:98581, $24,675 - Heritage 10/2015:3389, $22,325 - D.L. Hansen Collection

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25658717

1860 Seated Liberty Dollar - PCGS PR66 POP 10/0 - Simpson

Heritage 2/2003:7990, $16,100 - Heritage 5/2003:6472, $17,250 - Bob R. Simpson Collection

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/30135111

topstuf

Zoins, you posted MS. This one is proof.

Zoins

@topstuf said:
Zoins, you posted MS. This one is proof.

Should all be corrected now.

Zoins

@Walkerguy21D said:
Are you certain it was tried at CAC and didn't pass?

No, but I'd be surprised this coin wasn't tried.

Is this type of coin commonly not attempted at CAC?

If your budget is confining you PF63, you probably realize you need to accept some minor issues.
Find a piece that YOU can live with.
With that price spread to the next grade up, you can bet most of the 'strong' 63's are probably in 4 holders now.

It's more that I like the TrueView, but yes, there are scratches on Liberty's leg and other distractions on this piece. Thanks to everyone for pointing these out.

Other pieces look a bit dark to me from the TrueViews so I would love to see them in hand.

Walkerguy21D

**It's more that I like the TrueView, **

I agree - the Trueview image is very flattering, and the coin looks like a 4.
The slab images, not so much....

Paradisefound

Good luck with the next hunt It's a beautiful coin but giving a slight doubt + the tag .... maybe it's good you missed it

topstuf

Knowing the yes or no on CAC examination would be a good thing to know.
At this level of price, it has a bean or it's someone else's coin.

Didn't always feel this way, but sure do now.