1928-D Standing Liberty with dip residue
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So, I've had this coin for a while, probably 15 years or so. It's been a Whitman album that whole time. Today I decided to get it out and see if I could figure out what that arc from 8 to 11 is. I had always thought that it was some type of toning issue, with a coin that sat on top of it in an envelope or something that gave it that arc, which is exactly the size of another quarter.
Now, I'm not so sure. I think someone dipped this coin and didn't neutralize things, as I see spots all over it now. I soaked it in acetone overnight and nothing has changed.
Is my only option here to try to dip this thing again and properly neutralize it? As noted, acetone does nothing.
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Not real sure... I'd be worried that if dipped the arc will become the dark part.
Have you tried MS70?
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I would do nothing to that coin. You could make a 95% attractive coin far less so.
No, nothing aside from acetone.
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.
I would try some MS70, its not acidic more like a soap. That brown tone is not attractive to me and imo few people will like it.
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Still a nice coin as-is
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I cannot believe it, but I found the original photos I had when I bought this. It was October 2004.
It was bright white and now is gold toned after sitting in that album for the last 15 years.
I wouldn't fool with it.
It looks 'OK' to me.
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I've never used MS70. Can it soak it in, like acetone, or is it a quick bath and rinse like dip?
I wouldn't mess with it.
As its not acidic it wont eat away at a coin like dip would, that said I wouldn't soak it for hours. I would dip a cotton ball in the MS70 then blot the coin, repeat with clean cotton balls until all the brown was gone. Dont wipe or you'll have hairlines on the coin. Then rinse well with water and a final rinse in acetone. As mentioned you don't have to do anything, but that's what I would do if the color bothered me. I would also suggest finding some dirty, stained, loose change to experiment with first so you can see how it goes before you try anything with this SLQ. Maybe even a cheap common date AU SLQ would be a good experiment candidate as well if you have one.
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Your original photos from 2004 show the oxidation arc across the left side (from "B" of LIBERTY to "D" of GOD and beyond).
I think that was actually at one time a heavily-toned (almost black) tarnish streak and the coin had already been dipped prior to 2004. When oxidation in an area is that strong, dipping will lighten it up, but the metal will remain etched and the area where the heavy oxidation was will have a matte-like surface texture.
The recent photo shows the whole coin toned over, of course. But the arc is now lighter than the rest of it. In a way, I think you were lucky that the coin toned over like it did, to make the arc less obtrusive. Dipping it again would probably make it look like it did in 2004 (which would not be an improvement in my opinion).
You have the coin. Put a 10X glass on the arc. If the surface is etched, leave the coin alone and sell it. Otherwise the coin can be conserved.
I'd just leave it as is. If it really bothers you, sell it as is. Don't throw good money after bad by paying money to have it slabbed and risk it coming back as genuine or in a body bag.
I am now convinced to just leave as is. @dcarr I bet you are right. There is no doubt it was dipped, I can see that from the dip residue spots, but I never considered this until now. Someone probably tried to dip that off, which left some type of oxidation streak which is now toning over with the rest of the coin. At certain angles, the line and the residue spots are not even visible. And I agree, it looks better now than it did 15 years ago.
@Insider2 believe it or not I only have a magnifying glass 5x. I'll get a loupe and take a look at some point.
Sad. That's a nice looking coin for that date and mint.
Pete
It is. It's a tough date to find with nice head detail, which this has. But I do think @dcarr is right, someone tried to dip this thing because it did in fact have a dark streak, and perhaps ugly toning. Who knows, the thing is 90 years old and has more stories about how it got here than I do. The upside is I never paid more than $100 for raw coins, and while I don't remember what I paid 15 years ago, I don't have that much into it. It's going back in the album.
That is the right move, IMHOP, of course.
Pete
I've seen Conserv coin solvent work wonders on problem coins. It removes gunk, dirt, blemishes spots etc without
affecting luster or toning. At worst it wouldn't affect this coin in any way and at best, remove the residue and bring out luster. I've seen high end coins cracked out, dipped in Conserv and upgrade. Good stuff.
https://www.conservcoins.com/
On that note I’ve also seen coins stripped of their skin/crud and go from 63 to 58.
Then you know you have a problem coin, lol.
Yup, seen coins put on window sills to soak in the sun for months and collect dust to cover up problems.
Professional graders should be able to see through "Soiled" coins and label such garden varieties accordingly
I would suggest you leave the coin as is....the fact that the mark did not tarnish with the rest of the coin, indicates that part of the surface has had the metal altered by whatever caused the mark. Further efforts will probably not change it and could result in a negative effect. The coin will likely grade if you choose to submit it. Cheers, RickO
I would definitely leave it as is. I personally think it looks a lot better now than in 2004.
If the mark ends up bothering you that much, I’d recommend selling the coin and looking for one that you like a lot more.
I did that with a 49-S Franklin in an old ANACS 65FBL, which I believe was 100% accurate and would easily grade as such at either PCGS or NGC. It had a light hazy spot on the reverse from what looked like a tiny fleck of paper that had stuck to the coin before encapsulation. It also had a small streak on the obverse that looked like grease possibly struck into the coin.
I showed the coin to an experienced dealer and was told it would cross to either of the top two TPGs, but conservation wouldn’t help it. The dealer recommended selling it if the condition bothered me that much, which it did.
So I sold it and have kept an eye out for another one since. That was probably 2 years ago and I don’t regret my decision one bit.
If you decide to do the same, I doubt you will have any regrets.
Please don't apply it like in the video, roll the q-tip, it will still remove the gunk. Rubbing the q-tip, no matter how gently is just asking for hairlines, especially if used on a proof. I wouldn't suggest paper towel either, they aren't the softest thing in the world.
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AMEN! There are so many PROBLEMS with these "Watch Me, I'm a ham-fisted EX-Pert (an ignorant little drip under pressure) in my own mind" videos that they should be posted with a warning label: WHAT NOT TO DO.
Any exposure to atmosphere will cause tarnish, spots over time. Probably time for it get another dip. Or just blow it out.
Does anyone know if conserve and MS70 are essentially the same type of product?
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Agreed with not using a q-tip, paper towel or anything else to wipe the coin. When I use it or anything else, I gently
swish the liquid around the coin for a minute or two, turning it over on both sides. I then rinse it in distilled water and and air dry.
I've seen valuable coins cracked out of top TPG slabs treated with this, resubmitted and upgrade a full point.
The coin looks stained to me; I've had coins like that with no remedy. All of the services offer conservation options.