Should I crack old White ANACs holders
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A long time ago, I won an Ebay lot with several common date Indian Cents (mostly VF to AU).
Working on a circulated Indian Cent set.
Are the holders so much in demand that I should not crack them?
Just wondering.
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Crack out the common dates
They sell for premiums.
Keep them-- just my opinion
BHNC #203
I thought about flipping them and just buying raw.
Thought they would make good, cheap case filler if I ever set up at a show.
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Try listing one for sale here on the Buy/Sell forum or Ebay. That should help guide your plan.
No.
Edited to add- this is in response to the thread title.
good idea
BHNC #203
No
Keep as is if slim possibility upgrade and grading exp huge pct of MV.
I would leave them as is. Maybe crack a high grade key and send them into our hosts.
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Just leave them as is. Someone else already paid to have them graded and there may be "live ones" out there who think that anything in an old white holder will upgrade if sent into a top TPG. Sell them to the "live ones", use the money to buy raw examples for your own set, and pocket the money that remains.
There is a post on the BST looking for old sm ANACS holders you might see if that guy is interested in what you have.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I've been chasing a short set of old white ANACS holders for a particular series for six years now. There are some gorgeous coins in these holders. In my experience, there are just as many dogs. Long way of saying if you think the coin is nice, do not crack. If you wonder how it got the grade, either sell it or crack it.
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Tommy
I like the old white holders them being kind neat. I wouldn't
Just do a search for "live one".
I'd buy a coin in an ANACS slab before I buy the same coin raw.
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I'll never crack these, though I DO 'go for them' if the coin looks good......at that point, I'll only cross them with my freebies once a year, like this one, that WAS an ANACS MS63, and just yesterday, became a PCGS MS64+ Granted, not quite gem, but needed to be in our hosts plastic.
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Before:
TrueView, not my image...coin still en route
The only Small Holders I have cracked was for coins I needed for my registry sets. I do believe there is a market for the Old Small Holders. I wish all slabs were that size!
I have had a degree of success with the old small holders. I wouldn't crack one unless there was an upgrade chance and it was very financially viable.....
Great looking coin. I’ll wager that the first pic is more accurate when viewed in hand.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Cat, thanks a million! I didn't have it in my hands too long, shipped it pretty much right out after receiving it, and, its been in Cali for awhile, so I cant quite recall which images are more accurate. The submission was entered into the system Nov 26th, finally out for delivery today, so, you can see its been awhile since I've last seen it.
I like 'em. They're smaller, and concise and to the point.
Pete
Take a shot at selling a few first and pick up raw coins for a set like that. JMHO
At the time they were being used they were large enough to house all US coin types with the exception of the large $50 gold slugs which most collectors will never own. With a width of 2" they could be stored on boxes designed for cardboard stapled 2X2's and flips. A lot more of these small ANACS slabs would fit in a safe deposit box that other brands of slabs.
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You are correct, Perry. The smaller slabs take up less room in the safe deposit box were space is at a premium.
The worst offenders nowadays are the slabs for medals. Those things as so big that it makes it almost impossible to keep them at the bank.
Some medals need that kind of protection. If you happen to drop them, it’s easy to get rim dents. BUT when the holder is sometimes wider than some safe deposit boxes, it hard to store them.
The worst are coins like Thalers that are a smidgen too big to fit in a regular holder.
It all depends if you want to use them in the PCGS Registry or not.
Noooooooooo!
I dont crack the older small ANACS/ANA holders. If I like the coin I'd rather have it in the smaller type holder.
I’d let them be. I have several and believe all the coins are solidly graded.
The decision to crack out a coin from the old ANACS small white holders really depends upon what the coin is and if you intend to sell it soon.
I can’t see any reason crack out common date Indian Cents in the VF to AU grades, which were the subject of OP. There is no upside because the coins not worth enough to justify the grading and shipping expenses.
Conversely, there was time, when I was dealer, when ANACS went through a period where the graded U.S. gold coins very conservatively. The coins were often instant crack-out candidates then, and they still are today. If you can grade gold well and happen to spot any of these pieces, you are leaving money on the table if you don’t go for the upgrade.
Several types of 'Old-White" ANACS. The alphanumeric (XX-1234) seem to have developed a bit of a cachet', probably because the grading there was among the firmest of all TPGs. I usually keep my alphanumerics, but I did crack and send in 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
1c. 1909-SVDB 64RD ANACS -- 64 RD PCGS
1c. 1914-D VF35 ANACS -- XF40 PCGS
1c. 1922 (No D Strong) VF35 ANACS -- XF40 PCGS
50c. 1943 Walker MS64 -- MS66 PCGS
Perhaps my best day ever. Many common white Morgans in MS64 on to MS65 in PCGS as well.
But that was years ago . . .the alphanumerics are showing up with much less frequency . . . . I think grandad's safety-deposit boxes have been mostly cleaned out. I would tend to keep them undisturbed now. They are a great holder. The latter small white . . . .numericals . . . much more of a hit-n-miss.
Drunner
ANACS used to be really tough on the 22 no D Lincolns. I believe they actually used to grade them by the Obv. I bought an old Photo Certified F15 that ended up in a 40 holder!
I wouldn't. And I wish one of the legit slabbing companies would make slabs of this size with top labelling, either standard or as option.
I wouldn't crack them out. Just sell them to someone who wants them and look for raw coins if that is what you want.
The only generation 2 I have. It's tiny and a Morgan would not fit into it!
Hmmm, Morgans do fit in them.
Not true. Many Morgan dollars are still housed in small white ANACS slabs. Do a search on eBay and you'll find plenty of them.
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@PerryHall
Ok, just barely "Fits" in......my slab is jammed, lol. These are rated "Uncommon" . I've seen many generation 3's on up, but few of these.
Don't think a ASE will fit, lol
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The ASE has been slabbed in the small ANACS slab. In fact at the time these slabs were being used all US coin types would fit in the small ANACS slab with the exception of the large $50 gold slugs.
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Good info. Looks like they were designed to fit U.S Coinage up to the Eagles.
Are they $3 coins or $30+ coins?
PM sent.
1893 Indian Cent EF40 ANACS #1298244
1889 Indian Cent EF40 ANACS #1291718
1890 Indian Cent AU53 ANACS #1298235
1891 Indian Cent EF45 ANACS #1298241
1902 Indian Cent AU55 ANACS #1292052
1904 Indian Cent AU50 ANACS #1291701
All would fit nicely in my Dansco.
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The one in my clipped date set was in an old white ANACS holder graded "VF details, cleaned". The last time I had the coin at a show, one dealer told me he thought it might straight grade as an AU today. I just took pics of it this evening, I won't hijack this thread but I'll post them to the Forum soon.
Back to the OP's question, I've cracked a few other old white ANACS coins for my date set, but whenever possible I like to keep them intact. Once upon a time I used to submit coins to ANACS for those holders, so they hold a little nostalgia for me still.
Sean Reynolds
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Don't remember any of them having a significant Snow variety.
Going to leave them unmolested and will sell them sometime in the future to help pay for some upcoming PCGS subs.
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