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scvusascvusa Posts: 47 ✭
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Appreciate everyone's estimate on the attached mint state coin.

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  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭
    edited January 30, 2020 1:46PM Answer ✓

    @jmlanzaf said:
    That coins a 62 all day.

    I agree, some one mentioned the pattern on the reverse side, I recognize the pattern from a Walker I had, it's the pattern of the mint canvas bag which is very desirable when looking for genuine toning. It's hard with this picture to see how much chatter there is in the fields or cheek, but I don't see it as down to a 60. 62 or 63 all day.

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Would probably cac green possibly gold.

    I see no reason (other than collecting old holders with stickers) to submit that coin to CAC.

    That is the state of the hobby in 2020. Coins are secondary to labels and stickers.

    Nice 60 by the way, I would of guessed 62.

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  • bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60

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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not an attractive coin. There are too many distracting marks and the reverse color isn't appealing. Even though it is graded 60, just by the pictures, I'd grade it 62.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yep... grade is obvious.... from the label...and I do not disagree.... Cheers, RickO

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60 is harsh for that one. To me, 60 means borderline not gradable.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Would probably cac green possibly gold.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cheezhed said:
    Would probably cac green possibly gold.

    I see no reason (other than collecting old holders with stickers) to submit that coin to CAC.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 24, 2020 7:50AM

    @MFeld said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Would probably cac green possibly gold.

    I see no reason (other than collecting old holders with stickers) to submit that coin to CAC.

    Of course, there's no other reason to buy that coin in the first place.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coins a 62 all day.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @MFeld said:

    @cheezhed said:
    Would probably cac green possibly gold.

    I see no reason (other than collecting old holders with stickers) to submit that coin to CAC.

    Of course, there's no other reason to buy that coin in the first place.

    What if you just liked it and it was affordable?

  • scvusascvusa Posts: 47 ✭

    Thanks All

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

  • ike126ike126 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a gold bean!!!

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it is a 60 all day - which is think says "maybe AU".

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

    No. My best guess is MS62 and my next guess is MS61.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Texast said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    That coins a 62 all day.

    I agree, some one mentioned the pattern on the reverse side, I recognize the pattern from a Walker I had, it's the pattern of the mint canvas bag which is very desirable when looking for genuine toning. It's hard with this picture to see how much chatter there is in the fields or cheek, but I don't see it as down to a 60. 62 or 63 all day.

    No offense but if your paying 63/64 money for coins like that you're going to be disappointed when selling I think.

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  • aclocoacloco Posts: 952 ✭✭✭

    Fingerprint on the reverse??

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  • TexastTexast Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭

    @coinbuf said:

    @Texast said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    That coins a 62 all day.

    I agree, some one mentioned the pattern on the reverse side, I recognize the pattern from a Walker I had, it's the pattern of the mint canvas bag which is very desirable when looking for genuine toning. It's hard with this picture to see how much chatter there is in the fields or cheek, but I don't see it as down to a 60. 62 or 63 all day.

    No offense but if your paying 63/64 money for coins like that you're going to be disappointed when selling I think.

    I don't pay 63 or 64, money, I mentioned 62 or 63, I also said that I could not tell from the picture. I judge coins by grade shown, if it has good pictures, who did the grading and when. Then about five other factors that I will not list.

    I have seen enough Morgan's that I am comfortable with what I buy.

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  • morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks MS62.

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

    No. My best guess is MS62 and my next guess is MS61.

    I thought in the coin world vernacular "shot" meant "longshot" thus MS61 with a (long)shot at 62.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

    No. My best guess is MS62 and my next guess is MS61.

    I thought in the coin world vernacular "shot" meant "longshot" thus MS61 with a (long)shot at 62.

    Why not conversely, MS62 with a (long) shot at 61? The “shot” part should pertain to chances, not just the direction of a higher (but not a lower) grade.

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  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

    No. My best guess is MS62 and my next guess is MS61.

    I thought in the coin world vernacular "shot" meant "longshot" thus MS61 with a (long)shot at 62.

    Why not conversely, MS62 with a (long) shot at 61? The “shot” part should pertain to chances, not just the direction of a higher (but not a lower) grade.

    Practically speaking, no one who owns a holdered 62 thinks "I wonder if this coin has a shot at 61"... :)

    OTOH, I understood what you meant.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinJunkie said:

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @abcde12345 said:

    @MFeld said:
    Trying to be objective, I’d grade the coin 62, shot 61.

    Shouldn't that read "I'd grade the coin 61, shot 62."?

    No. My best guess is MS62 and my next guess is MS61.

    I thought in the coin world vernacular "shot" meant "longshot" thus MS61 with a (long)shot at 62.

    Why not conversely, MS62 with a (long) shot at 61? The “shot” part should pertain to chances, not just the direction of a higher (but not a lower) grade.

    Practically speaking, no one who owns a holdered 62 thinks "I wonder if this coin has a shot at 61"... :)

    OTOH, I understood what you meant.

    Agreed, but I said it solely with respect to my opinion of its grade.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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