For the Gold Toner Guys

Ronyahski

FUN purchase. PCGS MS62. And an R-6 rarity HM-7 die marriage.

Unknown

This content has been removed.

Jimnight

Beautiful gold coin!

ReadyFireAim

Love the color...Very nice

ThreeCentSilverFL

Very nice indeed!

Boosibri

Gorgeous

Downtown1974

Blazing nice!!!

ilmcoins

A+++

Pedzola

I like gold with a little color. I've always understood that the mild color variation on most old gold is attributable to copper in the alloy, often concentrations that are not perfectly mixed across the surface.

Do you think that explains this example as well? If not, how does a gold coin get intense color like this?

cameonut2011

How accurate is the True View color wise?

ffcoins

@cameonut2011 said:
How accurate is the True View color wise?

Seconded. Think we need to see an in hand shot

jwitten

Absolutely beautiful! Gold toners are my love!

Ronyahski

Here you go. The TrueView is fairly accurate. I put the coin in bright light and took quick pics using my phone. On one pic I hit Autoadjust. There are many die cracks you can see on the coin. At the rim between Stars 3 and 4, runs to the nose, and exits at the indentation of hair at the back of the head, to the other rim. Another crack bisects the 6 in the date. Weakly struck die marriage, and not wear.

@ffcoins said:

@cameonut2011 said:
How accurate is the True View color wise?

Seconded. Think we need to see an in hand shot

asheland

Awesome!

jonruns

@Pedzola said:
I like gold with a little color. I've always understood that the mild color variation on most old gold is attributable to copper in the alloy, often concentrations that are not perfectly mixed across the surface.

Do you think that explains this example as well? If not, how does a gold coin get intense color like this?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but many attribute this type of toning to storage in a leather pouch or coin purse...different alloy mixes often causes dramatic colors in early territorials and some branch mint coins but less likely in a P mint coin like this...also high heat like a house fire can cause dramatic toning in gold coins...I think #jwitten has/had a good looking 1901-S $5 which was graded environmental damage that might have been in a fire...

cameonut2011

I think the phone pictures make the color look more natural and more subtle. The True Views make it look deep red which would make me worry about doctoring. Congratulations on the new acquisition.

Smudge

I was hoping no one would use the ‘I’ word on this thread. So far so good. Great coin.

cameonut2011

@Smudge said:
I was hoping no one would use the ‘I’ word on this thread. So far so good. Great coin.

That was my first thought which is why I asked about the True View.

Ronyahski

@cameonut2011 said:

@Smudge said:
I was hoping no one would use the ‘I’ word on this thread. So far so good. Great coin.

That was my first thought which is why I asked about the True View.

Now that I go back and re-look at the True View, I can see why the "I" sniffer came out. But no, it looks a.o.k. to me.

Smudge

@Ronyahski said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@Smudge said:
I was hoping no one would use the ‘I’ word on this thread. So far so good. Great coin.

That was my first thought which is why I asked about the True View.

Now that I go back and re-look at the True View, I can see why the "I" sniffer came out. But no, it looks a.o.k. to me.

I was not saying that, it’s just that every time a nice gold toner shows up someone seems to throw out the ‘I’ word.

Dave99B

Mother!

Dave

Ronyahski

@jonruns said:

@Pedzola said:
I like gold with a little color. I've always understood that the mild color variation on most old gold is attributable to copper in the alloy, often concentrations that are not perfectly mixed across the surface.

Do you think that explains this example as well? If not, how does a gold coin get intense color like this?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but many attribute this type of toning to storage in a leather pouch or coin purse...different alloy mixes often causes dramatic colors in early territorials and some branch mint coins but less likely in a P mint coin like this...also high heat like a house fire can cause dramatic toning in gold coins...I think #jwitten has/had a good looking 1901-S $5 which was graded environmental damage that might have been in a fire...

With respect to the P mint coins vs. the branch mints, generally it is the opposite of what you state. From 1838, when the branch mints began operations, the law required an alloy of 90% gold, and copper/silver comprising the remaining 10%, with silver not to exceed 5%. At that time, the Philadelphia Mint followed a policy of mixing 7% copper with 3% silver. (Ignore what you read in the Red Book, it is inaccurate.)

The branch mints, using southern mined gold with a naturally higher silver content in the mined gold, and having difficulty with the parting process, generally ended up producing coins with maximum silver content, i.e. 5% silver and 5% copper. As years passed, copper in later minted branch mint coins increased and silver decreased.

Copper tends to tone a gold coin more orange/gold, while silver imparts more of a green/yellow. Thus, generally speaking, P mint coins would have more of a tendency to tone deep orange/gold than branch mint coins. Having said that, mother nature takes over from there and has years and decades to do what she will to a coin.

Pedzola

Great info! Thanks for the learning opportunity.

golden

Super nice!

mvs7

Wow! Awesome.