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1795 Silver Dollar - Solve the debate real or fake

Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 13, 2020 3:22PM in U.S. Coin Forum

To me the answer is easy fake, thoughts. The bubbles on the reverse scream cast to me. Weight was 22.8 grams


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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,727 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake. Way underweight just for starters.

    bob

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Who was debating?

  • cardinalcardinal Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @AUandAG said:
    Fake. Way underweight just for starters.

    bob

    Agreed!!

  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    Who was debating?

    The current owner and me. I said sorry guys they said real

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,024 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on the weight, there is nothing left to debate in connection with the real or fake question...

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    LOL!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake... I do not understand why there is any debate at all....Cheers, RickO

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    Fake... I do not understand why there is any debate at all....Cheers, RickO

    I do and I bet you do, too. If someone wants to believe something badly enough, sound reasoning and facts don't necessarily get in the way.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld .... Of course, you are correct....and I have seen that many times when people have brought me Grandpa's Morgan dollar, believing it was super valuable...and then getting angry when told it was not...even showing them coin books stating values...Thanks for reminding me...Cheers, RickO

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not even close.

    Fake!

    My first and only clue......'bubbly' texture on high points (date and lettering).

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree that this particular coin is in most likelihood fake.

    That said, and just for the record, there is a circumstance where a genuine coin can be underweight and have raised "bubbles." It's called selective corrosion. Take a genuine coin, spatter it with something resistant to corrosion, and leave it in the ground for a hundred years or more. If the soil is acidic enough and wet enough the surfaces not covered by the spatter can corrode away, reducing the weight and leaving little raised areas.

    TD

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @ricko said:
    Fake... I do not understand why there is any debate at all....Cheers, RickO

    I do and I bet you do, too. If someone wants to believe something badly enough, sound reasoning and facts don't necessarily get in the way.

    Thank God we don't see such stubbornness on this forum!

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,527 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I agree that this particular coin is in most likelihood fake.

    That said, and just for the record, there is a circumstance where a genuine coin can be underweight and have raised "bubbles." It's called selective corrosion. Take a genuine coin, spatter it with something resistant to corrosion, and leave it in the ground for a hundred years or more. If the soil is acidic enough and wet enough the surfaces not covered by the spatter can corrode away, reducing the weight and leaving little raised areas.

    TD

    True, but such a coin would have a porous surface, would it not?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably, but that was not the question I was addressing.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The raised bumps on the reverse, weight (it should weigh 27 grams), and early dollars have a history of being counterfeited... RUN, Forest... RUN!!!

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I agree that this particular coin is in most likelihood fake.

    That said, and just for the record, there is a circumstance where a genuine coin can be underweight and have raised "bubbles." It's called selective corrosion. Take a genuine coin, spatter it with something resistant to corrosion, and leave it in the ground for a hundred years or more. If the soil is acidic enough and wet enough the surfaces not covered by the spatter can corrode away, reducing the weight and leaving little raised areas.

    TD

    Tom,

    You and I have a different definition for the term "selective corrosion!" Since I claim to be the originator of that term in the numismatic lexicon to describe a characteristic we first saw at ANACS, I suspect someone (who knew very little about the characteristics of coins) moved to CO from DC and corrupted the term. In his defense, I guess when any coin has parts of its surface corroded and parts that are not, the corrosion was "selective."

    I'll dig up an image of a coin where the term "selective corrosion" applied in the past. Of course, I'm not the final authority on numismatic terms. I just hate to see a narrowly defined, perfectly descriptive term, bastardized over the years.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake. I wouldn't pay $20 for that based on the pictures alone. :D

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  • 1630Boston1630Boston Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @asheland said:
    Fake. I wouldn't pay $20 for that based on the pictures alone. :D

    What if you were amassing a complete US type set of 'fakes' ??? :)
    would you pa 20.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,075 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1630Boston said:

    @asheland said:
    Fake. I wouldn't pay $20 for that based on the pictures alone. :D

    What if you were amassing a complete US type set of 'fakes' ??? :)
    would you pa 20.

    That would be cool I suppose... ;)

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  • coin22lovercoin22lover Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭

    It's VERY fake!

  • coinercoiner Posts: 431 ✭✭✭

    Fake

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,976 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has anyone so far thought this coin is real? :D

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Has anyone so far thought this coin is real? :D

    Actually, it is "real." There is an image of it; however, it is not authentic. LOL.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,159 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Has anyone so far thought this coin is real? :D

    Actually, it is "real." There is an image of it; however, it is not authentic. LOL.

    Unfortunately, I think someone probably paid real money for this surreal coin...

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  • Bigbuck1975Bigbuck1975 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:

    @Insider2 said:

    @PerryHall said:
    Has anyone so far thought this coin is real? :D

    Actually, it is "real." There is an image of it; however, it is not authentic. LOL.

    Unfortunately, I think someone probably paid real money for this surreal coin...

    $80 was the shops damage. Cheap tuition I guess as if they thought it was real they should have paid 10x that.

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